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Nice story Bob.
I still have my 1967 bike, which I used to go to high school these days. Fi=
xed the ball head bearing with parts from a bike museum in January this yea=
r! In winter time the crank bearing needs repair the same way=E2=80=A6
I also am busy with a total overhaul of my 1989 race bike. Problem with tha=
t are the Japanese parts, which are NLA for over 20 years now. Good news is=
all bearings are o.k. =E2=80=93 new grease and the bike is ready for anoth=
er decade.
Chain rings are replaced with a new type.
Cheers,
Hans
Back to the starter this afternoon.
Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> Namens Robert's New iPad
Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 23:48
Aan: Barrie Robinson <barrob@bell.net>
CC: mgs@autox.team.net
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
Hi Barrie,
You are spot-on about new washing machines. My sister has had three exp=
ensive washers in ten years, each beyond economical repair when it failed. =
By contrast, my Maytag is now more than 30 years old. They once advertised=
that the loneliest man in town was the Maytag repair man. Not any longer..=
=2E.
Two or three years ago I took my erratic alternator to a shop that many =
in the CT MG Club regard highly. With sadness, the proprietor recommended =
a new unit that he said was not great, but that its cost would be less than=
his repairing the old one with second-rate parts now available.
Similarly, the old Electrolux motor. Apparently there are no motors to b=
e had, so I bought a new one vacuum cleaner, another Electrolux. Shop owner=
was son of the shop founder. He advised to not expect 45 years of service =
from the new one. Some might say that sucks.
Bob
b@bell.net> > wrote:
Hello folks,
I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new MG TD. I f=
ind that Lucas bits are used on may cars inducing on my current 'in progres=
s' chariot. I am not sure 'new' things these days are as good as 'old' =
ones When I took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if =
I should buy a new one from them or recondition the old one. The bloke too=
k me into the back repair area and said 'Look'. It was filed with new mach=
ines and no old ones. He said my 30 year old reconditioned washer would la=
st another 30 years but a new one would expire pretty soon after its 2 year=
warranty. Remembering that our 'top of the line' German dish washer has =
had two service calls in its two years I went with reconditioning. A loca=
l bod, who does nothing else but starters, alternators, generators, dissemb=
led my sick starter and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts =
that needed replacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was fa=
ced with a total bill of C$150. So I will always go with bods that do 'r=
efurbishing' provided they are a well established shop. Using 'on line' o=
utfits is a lottery call but there some good guys out there.
Now back to the program !
Cheers
Barrie
wrote:
I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on=
a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.
The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
Now there is a discussion:
Repair the starter or buy a new one.
High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy
Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00
New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00
New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00
https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-s=
ystem-mgb-electrical-mgb/
https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024
There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has=
been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
They did a good job.
I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 a n=
ew one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) o=
r have the original repaired=E2=80=A6
Cheers,
Hans
a.com>
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltage=
s together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the =
voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cra=
nking. The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connect=
ions, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.
If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem=
=2E
PaulH.
----- Original Message -----
Next job is the slow starter motor.
I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to c=
hassis cable.
Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
Nothing helped so far.
So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it wi=
ll be o.k. as the battery is new.
Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to=
the engine.
When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logi=
cal.
Nice winter job.
Namens Dan DiBiase
Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
il.com> >
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!=
) advice..............................
Dan D
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com =
I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of=
hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel i=
nto jugs.
n.dibiase@gmail.com> > wrote:
Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently return=
ed to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the =
5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The c=
ar is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I=
fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 ga=
llons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy).
I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of =
the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area=
and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a =
couple more gallons before I fill it up.
Thx,
Dan D
'76B- Getting There
'65B - Waiting It's Turn
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nice story Bob. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I still have my 1967 bike, which I =
used to go to high school these days. Fixed the ball head bearing with =
parts from a bike museum in January this year! In winter time the crank =
bearing needs repair the same way=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I also am busy with a total =
overhaul of my 1989 race bike. Problem with that are the Japanese parts, =
which are NLA for over 20 years now. Good news is all bearings are o.k. =
=E2=80=93 new grease and the bike is ready for another =
decade.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Chain rings are replaced with a new =
type.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Back to the starter this afternoon. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs =
<mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>Namens </b>Robert's New =
iPad<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 15 november 2020 23:48<br><b>Aan:</b> =
Barrie Robinson <barrob@bell.net><br><b>CC:</b> =
mgs@autox.team.net<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was =
Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi =
Barrie,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> You =
are spot-on about new washing machines. My sister has had three =
expensive washers in ten years, each beyond economical repair when it =
failed. By contrast, my Maytag is now more than 30 years old. They =
once advertised that the loneliest man in town was the Maytag repair =
man. Not any longer....<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> Two or three years ago I took my erratic =
alternator to a shop that many in the CT MG Club regard highly. =
With sadness, the proprietor recommended a new unit that he said =
was not great, but that its cost would be less than his repairing the =
old one with second-rate parts now =
available. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> =
Similarly, the old Electrolux motor. Apparently there are no =
motors to be had, so I bought a new one vacuum cleaner, another =
Electrolux. Shop owner was son of the shop founder. He advised to not =
expect 45 years of service from the new one. Some might say that =
sucks.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bob<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Nov 15, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Barrie =
Robinson <<a href=3D"mailto:barrob@bell.net";>barrob@bell.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hello =
folks,<br><br>I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand =
new MG TD. I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars =
inducing on my current 'in progress' chariot. I am not sure =
'new' things these days are as good as 'old' ones When I =
took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if I should =
buy a new one from them or recondition the old one. The bloke took =
me into the back repair area and said 'Look'. It was filed with =
new machines and no old ones. He said my 30 year old reconditioned =
washer would last another 30 years but a new one would expire pretty =
soon after its 2 year warranty. Remembering that our 'top of =
the line' German dish washer has had two service calls in its two years =
I went with reconditioning. A local bod, who does nothing =
else but starters, alternators, generators, dissembled my sick starter =
and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts that needed =
replacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was faced with =
a total bill of C$150. So I will always go with bods =
that do 'refurbishing' provided they are a well established =
shop. Using 'on line' outfits is a lottery call but there =
some good guys out there.<br><br>Now back to the program =
!<br><br>Cheers<br>Barrie</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";>h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I measured the voltage on the posts =
while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if =
that=E2=80=99s a good value.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The same value is measured on the =
starter ingoing post.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So no tension loss on =
the electrical circuits.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><br>Now there is a =
discussion:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Repair the starter or buy a new =
one.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC =
325,00, which is pricy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Original starter on =
exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC =
239,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>New starter looking like a Lucas =
(white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a =
href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/=
starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-=
categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a> =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a =
href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024";>http=
s://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024</a> =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>There is a local electrical car =
parts repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years =
ago.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>They did a good =
job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I assume they can fix the starter =
as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =
=E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original =
repaired=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hans </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> PaulHunt73 <a =
href=3D"mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com";><paulhunt73@virginmedia.com=
></a> <br><b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 =
11:41<br><b>Aan:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";>h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a><br><b>CC:=
</b> 'mglist' <a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";><mgs@autox.team.net></a>; =
'MGB-Yahoo' <a =
href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com";><mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com></a>=
<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning =
Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Yes, measure the =
voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages =
together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the =
voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body =
when cranking. The difference between the two is what is being =
lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much =
more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>If you get much less =
than 10v at the battery posts then that is the =
problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>----- Original =
Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-=
fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Next job is the slow starter motor. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I already cleaned the battery posts =
clamps and the post of the battery to chassis =
cable.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis =
to engine cable. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nothing helped so =
far.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So next will be verifying the =
battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery =
is new.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Following step will be measuring =
the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the =
engine.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>When o.k., the starter is suspect. =
As it never was overhauled, this is logical.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nice winter =
job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net";>mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>=
> <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober =
2020 22:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay <<a =
href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com";>richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;<br><b>CC:</b> mglist <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>mgs@autox.team.net</a>>; MGB-Yahoo =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com";>mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>><br>=
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>OMG, =
duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) =
advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dan D<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"; =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <<a =
href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com";>richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I had the same problem. I disconnected =
the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil =
disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into =
jugs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi all.... My '76B, which was off =
the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They =
added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was =
just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty =
rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is =
currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a =
little less (assuming gauge accuracy). <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of =
the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain =
area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to =
remove a couple more gallons before I fill it =
up.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thx, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dan D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>'76B- Getting There<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>'65B - Waiting It's Turn<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Central NJ USA<br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"; =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div></div></div></div><p =
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