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Well, at least you didn=E2=80=99t claim they were based on acetic =
values. Vinegar would corrode the metal.
=E2=80=9CThe enthusiast may not be able to tell Gothic from Romanesque, =
Soutine from Giotto, but he can talk for half an hour about the =
aesthetic inferiority of the TF to the TC.=E2=80=9D
=E2=80=94Randall Jarrell, =E2=80=9CGo, Man, Go!=E2=80=9D
> On Mar 4, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Clive Sherriff =
<clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>=20
> I smile a lot (or am I gritting my teeth ?) about the question of =
originality.
> =20
> Go to a premier vintage event and look at the cars. Immaculate. Now =
go to the archives and look at what they were like new.
> =20
> This is particularly evident with race cars. Look at the immaculate =
Maseratis, Silver Arrows Mercedes and Auto Unions today for example. =
Then do the photo search for then on the 1930s. Pooly finished and =
dented bodies, occasionally even unpainted ( Merceded once had to strip =
the paint and masses of filler underneath to meet a weight limit at one =
race !
> =20
> Years ago before TABC Bodies were readily available, I carefully =
measured up every original car that came through the workshop thinking =
to reproduce them. =20
> =20
> There were large differences in the dimensions of the body panels and =
woodwork. I decided it was not worth the bother, and soon after Naylors =
started making bodies and I ducked out.
> =20
> Even something as apparently simple as the late TA TB TC rear wings =
are not the same, the prewar ones are much different to the TC type in =
many ways. Hard to see if you dont know the difference, and all that =
are available today are the late TC ones. And this applies to many =
other parts. =20
> =20
> This does make a difference though even if you don't know it. Most =
people even if they know nothing of MGs will, from a frontal line up of =
Late TA TB and TCs will select the TA and TBs as the nicer looking cars. =
They will not be able to tell you why. It's due to the cutaway of the =
front wings, greatly reduced on the TC to a) save money and b) =
supposedly to cut down rain spray. The TA/TB were designed form =
Ascetic values, the TC from economic values. Many ta/tb owners will =
have TC front and wings and not know it.
> =20
> If you want to drive about in a tarted up concours trailer queen then =
do it and enjoy it, but most of these tarted up concours cars should =
have points deducted for non original finish.
> =20
> Clive
> =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> =20
> =20
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] =
>> To: mark.robinson250gt@btinternet.com =
>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 1:15 PM
>> Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Digest Number 7547
>>=20
>>=20
>> So, we should refer to TC's Forever. Isn't that all about getting the =
car as original as possible? Is this the answer to the argument?=20
>> Norman Verona
>> La Foie, 49520, Noellet, France
>> Tel: 0033 (0)2 41 92 73 44
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Well, at least you didn=E2=80=99t claim they were based on =
acetic values. Vinegar would corrode the metal.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=E2=80=9CThe enthusiast may not be able =
to tell Gothic from Romanesque, Soutine from Giotto, but he can talk for =
half an hour about the aesthetic inferiority of the TF to the =
TC.=E2=80=9D</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">=E2=80=94Randall Jarrell, =E2=80=9CGo, Man, Go!=E2=80=9D</div><=
div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar 4, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Clive Sherriff =
<<a href=3D"mailto:clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com"; =
class=3D"">clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D""><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">I smile a lot (or am I gritting my teeth ?) =
about the question of originality.</font></div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D""></font> </div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Go to a premier vintage event and look at the =
cars. Immaculate. Now go to the archives and look at what they =
were like new.</font></div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D""></font> </div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D"">This is particularly evident with race cars. Look at =
the immaculate Maseratis, Silver Arrows Mercedes and Auto Unions today =
for example. Then do the photo search for then on the 1930s. =
Pooly finished and dented bodies, occasionally even unpainted ( Merceded =
once had to strip the paint and masses of filler underneath to meet a =
weight limit at one race !</font></div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D""></font> </div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Years ago before TABC Bodies were readily =
available, I carefully measured up every original car that came through =
the workshop thinking to reproduce them. <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></div><div =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D""></font> </div><div =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">There were large differences =
in the dimensions of the body panels and woodwork. I decided it =
was not worth the bother, and soon after Naylors started making bodies =
and I ducked out.</font></div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D""></font> </div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D"">Even something as apparently simple as the late TA TB TC rear =
wings are not the same, the prewar ones are much different to the TC =
type in many ways. Hard to see if you dont know the difference, =
and all that are available today are the late TC ones. And this =
applies to many other parts. <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></div><div =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D""></font> </div><div =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">This does make a difference =
though even if you don't know it. Most people even if they =
know nothing of MGs will, from a frontal line up of Late TA TB and TCs =
will select the TA and TBs as the nicer looking cars. They will =
not be able to tell you why. It's due to the cutaway of the front =
wings, greatly reduced on the TC to a) save money and b) supposedly to =
cut down rain spray. The TA/TB were designed form Ascetic =
values, the TC from economic values. Many ta/tb owners will =
have TC front and wings and not know it.</font></div><div class=3D""><font=
face=3D"Arial" class=3D""></font> </div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">If you want to drive about in a tarted up =
concours trailer queen then do it and enjoy it, but most of these tarted =
up concours cars should have points deducted for non original =
finish.</font></div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D""></font> </div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D"">Clive</font></div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D"">=3D =
=3D=3D=3D=3D &n=
bsp; =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D  =
; =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</font></div><div =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D""></font> </div><div =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D""></font> </div><blockquote =
style=3D"border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; =
border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; =
margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" =
class=3D"">----- Original Message -----<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial; =
background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial =
initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">From:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
title=3D"mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com" =
href=3D"mailto:norman@frenchblat.com%20[mg-tabc]"; class=3D"">'Norman =
Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc]</a></div><div style=3D"font-style:=
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
title=3D"mark.robinson250gt@btinternet.com" =
href=3D"mailto:mark.robinson250gt@btinternet.com"; =
class=3D"">mark.robinson250gt@btinternet.com</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title=3D"ncgolm@gmail.com"=
href=3D"mailto:ncgolm@gmail.com"; class=3D"">'Norman Golm'</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
title=3D"notify-dg-mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com" =
href=3D"mailto:notify-dg-mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com"; =
class=3D"">notify-dg-mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com</a></div><div =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
title=3D"mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com" href=3D"mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com"; =
class=3D"">mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com</a></div><div style=3D"font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, March 04, 2016 1:15 =
PM</div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
arial;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [mg-tabc] Digest Number =
7547</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" =
style=3D"position: relative;" class=3D""><div id=3D"ygrp-msg" =
style=3D"z-index: 1;" class=3D""><div id=3D"ygrp-text" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div =
class=3D"WordSection1"><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">So, we should refer to =
TC's Forever. Isn't that all about getting the car as original as =
possible? Is this the answer to the argument?<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><o =
class=3D""></o></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:=
rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><o =
class=3D""></o></span></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 14pt;" =
class=3D"">Norman Verona<o class=3D""></o></span></b></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125); font-size: 14pt;" class=3D"">La Foie, 49520, Noellet, France<o =
class=3D""></o></span></u></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 14pt;" class=3D"">Tel: 0033 =
(0)2 41 92 73 =
44</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></font></div><sp=
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