Joe I know your reading skills are somewhat limited.... so I will aid you in
establishing your True Identity amoung the Wit Bros..... lets say we call
you Nit.... and Jon Dim...
I know this goes against my grain as the List police.... but my feelings
where if we could redirect some of this here Heat to a More deserving
recepitant.... like you and your brother.... then we might have some new
things to say.....Thereby adding to the fun had by all..... ESPECIALLY
Me....
Keith ( besides I like picking you two )
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
To: "glen barrett" <speedtimer@charter.net>
Cc: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>; "Clay, Dale"
<Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com>; "'Dave Dahlgren'" <ddahlgren@snet.net>; "Ed
Van Scoy" <edvs@uswest.net>; "tim schoeny" <tschoen@fuse.net>; "Skip
Higginbotham" <saltrat@pro-blend.com>; "John Beckett"
<landspeedracer@email.msn.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: Additives/AMO
> No Glen, that wasnt pee, you ever heard going fast was like sex?????,
> well................
>
> Keith did you mean to give me the "Wit" designation?
>
> Joe (I have always had a problem with control) Amo,
>
>
> glen barrett wrote:
>
> > I heard it was pee in your pants
> > The Timer
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
> > To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > Cc: "Clay, Dale" <Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com>; "'Dave Dahlgren'"
> > <ddahlgren@snet.net>; "Ed Van Scoy" <edvs@uswest.net>; "tim schoeny"
> > <tschoen@fuse.net>; "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat@pro-blend.com>; "John
> > Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 1:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: Additives/AMO
> >
> > > Yes, but its only once a year for us (I think).........
> > >
> > > Joe (who's fastest record runs were done with pee in the oil) Amo
> > >
> > > Keith Turk wrote:
> > >
> > > > WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK ...... she tells the world....
> > > >
> > > > Man I love the Beat up Amo day..it's so much better then the Beat up
> > Keith
> > > > day....
> > > >
> > > > K
> > > > ----------
> > > > > From: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
> > > > > To: Clay, Dale <Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com>
> > > > > Cc: 'Dave Dahlgren' <ddahlgren@snet.net>; Ed Van Scoy
> > <edvs@uswest.net>;
> > > > tim schoeny <tschoen@fuse.net>; Skip Higginbotham
> > <saltrat@pro-blend.com>;
> > > > John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>;
land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > > > Subject: Re: Additives
> > > > > Date: Thursday, January 11, 2001 3:24 PM
> > > > >
> > > > > Dale, come on now, its not us vs them!! You hit the nail on
the
> > head,
> > > > this
> > > > > world takes all kinds of everything!! Who owns the all out bike
> > record
> > > > (not
> > > > > counting Fueling)? Yes Harley!! Even though the imports
(bikes)
> > > > provide
> > > > > superior engineering, it does not necessarily make them BETTER
bikes,
> > > > its all
> > > > > in the eye/feeling of the OWNER.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe (I make judgements ALL the time, and on many occassions,
should
> > keep
> > > > them to
> > > > > myself, just ask my wife) Amo
> > > > >
> > > > > "Clay, Dale" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'd like to appologize to anyone offended by my PS. My real
point
> > was
> > > > > > everyone should be doing their own thing. There has been too
much
> > "us
> > > > vs.
> > > > > > them" in motorcycles both ways.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've owned and raced Japanse, European AND American bikes, carts
and
> > > > cars.
> > > > > > I make no judgements on what anybody here does. I enjoy the
> > diversity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dale
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Joe Amo [mailto:jkamo@rapidnet.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 1:33 PM
> > > > > > To: Clay, Dale
> > > > > > Cc: 'Dave Dahlgren'; Ed Van Scoy; tim schoeny; Skip
Higginbotham;
> > John
> > > > > > Beckett; land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Additives
> > > > > >
> > > > > > """PS: I've got a 50 year old Harley, still running strong.
When
> > was
> > > > the
> > > > > > last
> > > > > > time you saw even a 20 year old Kawasaki on the street? Yeah, a
few
> > > > maybe
> > > > > > and that's cool when you do. """
> > > > > >
> > > > > > THE POINT BEING, THOSE JAP BIKES YOU SEE THAT OLD RUNNING
AROUND,
> > HAVE
> > > > NOT
> > > > > > BEEN
> > > > > > APART, HOW MANY TIMES HAS THAT 50 YR OLD MOTOR BEEN APART?, and
you
> > > > must
> > > > > > realize that 20 yr old Kaw (and other jap stuff) has run with
turbos
> > > > > > (Charlie
> > > > > > Toy, Don Vesco) with nearly ALL stock internals from 230 to 330
> > mph!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > AND when you compare the hp per liter engine size vs miles
between
> > > > rebuilds,
> > > > > > well...........................
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe (knowing full well why Harley Factory offers a MOTOR rebuild
> > > > program for
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > NEW EVO motors) Amo
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Clay, Dale" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hey Dave, take it easy on us old air cooled, push rod guys.
Your
> > > > same
> > > > > > > arguments could apply to flatheads, but I don't want them to
go
> > away!
> > > > > > > Different strokes, ya know ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Plenty of race Harley's run synthetics (Red Line, Amsoil,
Mobile
> > 1,
> > > > etc.)
> > > > > > > and do just fine. One reason I suspect Harley doesn't want
you
> > > > running
> > > > > > > synthetics is they have oil refined for them under their own
label
> > > > and a
> > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > of the new Harley riders are afraid to use anything not
> > recommended
> > > > by The
> > > > > > > Motor Company (emphasis added).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm really glad to see this string take off, good stuff.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dale
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PS: I've got a 50 year old Harley, still running strong.
When
> > was
> > > > the
> > > > > > last
> > > > > > > time you saw even a 20 year old Kawasaki on the street? Yeah,
a
> > few
> > > > maybe
> > > > > > > and that's cool when you do. Hey it's like women; some like
tall
> > > > blondes,
> > > > > > > some red heads with freckles, some even like the round sort.
Vive
> > le
> > > > > > > difference!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Dave Dahlgren [mailto:ddahlgren@snet.net]
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:30 AM
> > > > > > > To: Ed Van Scoy
> > > > > > > Cc: tim schoeny; Skip Higginbotham; John Beckett;
> > > > > > > land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Additives
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ed you do realize why 90% or all harleys built are still on
> > > > > > > the road today don't you?
> > > > > > > It's because the other 10% made it home in one piece.......
> > > > > > > Aren't these the engines so ineffiecnt that they pretty much
> > > > > > > race against themselves. They quote #'s like 120 hp for a
> > > > > > > hot rod piece at 110 inches.. geez some kid in a old
> > > > > > > Kawasaki street bike can out run that..they might want to
> > > > > > > swap that thing out for Chucks old datsun piece..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And a quiz question for the list what is the largest engine
> > > > > > > builder in the world in volume of engines sold per year
> > > > > > > sheer number of engines..
> > > > > > > Dave Dahlgren
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ed Van Scoy wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > FWIW, Corvette comes from the factory filled with Mobil 1
> > > > synthetic, so
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > obviously aren't worried about break-in. Since we are on
this
> > > > topic,
> > > > > > > question for
> > > > > > > > bike guys (or others) Do you use synthetic oil? Reason I ask
is
> > > > there is
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > raging
> > > > > > > > argument in the Harley world about pros & cons of
synthetics.
> > Mobil
> > > > 1
> > > > > > > already makes
> > > > > > > > an air-cooled engine synthetic.......Lots of manufacturers
use
> > > > > > > semi-synthetic from
> > > > > > > > the factory. Harley will void your warrenty if they find it
in
> > your
> > > > > > > bike........For
> > > > > > > > some reason the manual says that if you find the oil level
low
> > on
> > > > your
> > > > > > > Harley &
> > > > > > > > Harley oil isn't available, use diesel oil! Can any of you
> > > > lube-gurus
> > > > > > > explain that
> > > > > > > > to me?
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > tim schoeny wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My cam grinder and short block builder both recommend
> > > > "conventional"
> > > > > > oil
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > break-in and then(if you want) synthetic for racing..Honda
> > rings
> > > > take
> > > > > > > forever to
> > > > > > > > > seat and starting out with syn. is not recommended.Just
what I
> > > > do.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > > Schoeny
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Skip Higginbotham wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > By the way, if you put Pro-blend in a new engine's oil
it
> > will
> > > > take
> > > > > > > about 5
> > > > > > > > > > times longer to break the rings in. Guess where the
benefit
> > is?
> > > > > > Better
> > > > > > > > > > lubrication.
> > > > > > > > > > S
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Not true, John.
> > > > > > > > > > Break-in should take about 10% longer but there is no
reason
> > > > not to
> > > > > > > use the
> > > > > > > > > > oil.
> > > > > > > > > > Skip Higginbotham
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > At 01:58 PM 1/10/01 , you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >It was my understanding the synthitic oils of any kind
are
> > a
> > > > NO NO
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > > >componets. They do not allow the proper break-in to
take
> > > > place, and
> > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > >only be used in components after the normal break-in
has
> > been
> > > > > > > finished.
> > > > > > > > > > >What say ye?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >John Beckett
> > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > >From: "DOUG ODOM" <popms@thegrid.net>
> > > > > > > > > > >To: "Chris R Harris" <yesford@clear.net.nz>
> > > > > > > > > > >Cc: "land-speed" <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:23 PM
> > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Additives
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> Chris; Slick 50 is nothing more than Dupont Teflon
> > > > repackaged. In
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> states we can buy the K-mart teflon for less money
and
> > it's
> > > > the
> > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > > >> thing. A friend of mine did some testing with mobil
one
> > and
> > > > > > teflon
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > >> the dyno. He said he made the most power with one
Quart
> > > > mobil one
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >> five quarts teflon. The bearings never took a hit. I
> > thought
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > using
> > > > > > > > > > >> it myself instead of straight mobil one but I guess I
> > lack
> > > > the
> > > > > > > testicle
> > > > > > > > > > >> fortitude. I have used Amsoil in transmissions and
rear
> > ends
> > > > with
> > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > > >> luck but the one time I tried it in a motor it
started to
> > > > wear
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> bearings. Change back to Valvoline 50w and the
bearings
> > > > > > > (vandervell) ran
> > > > > > > > > > >> all season with no wear. Just my 2 cents worth.
> > > > > > > > > > >> Doug Odom in big ditch
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Chris R Harris wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Compliments of the season to all on the list,
thinking
> > > > > > > positively, 2001
> > > > > > > > > > >is
> > > > > > > > > > >> > going to be a great year.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > New subject additives. What is the lists opinion on
the
> > > > > > subject,
> > > > > > > do you
> > > > > > > > > > >have a
> > > > > > > > > > >> > favorite, are they strictly 'mouse milk', most
> > certainly
> > > > don't
> > > > > > > stack up
> > > > > > > > > > >to
> > > > > > > > > > >> > the claims made, some definitely do help. The one I
use
> > in
> > > > my
> > > > > > > manual
> > > > > > > > > > >trans and
> > > > > > > > > > >> > diff on the roadster (definitely not the engine
though)
> > is
> > > > > > Slick
> > > > > > > 50. My
> > > > > > > > > > >> > experience here was using a heavy rotary slasher on
the
> > > > farm.
> > > > > > > Powered by
> > > > > > > > > > >a 100
> > > > > > > > > > >> > hp tractor, these very basic slashers swinging a
heavy
> > hub
> > > > with
> > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > > >swinging
> > > > > > > > > > >> > blades, had a simple right angle bevel gear box
between
> > > > the PTO
> > > > > > > shaft
> > > > > > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > > > >> > blade. In heavy going that box would get stink'in
hot,
> > > > couldn't
> > > > > > > touch
> > > > > > > > > > >it,
> > > > > > > > > > >> > always used the recommended oil. The addition of
Slick
> > > > made a
> > > > > > > huge
> > > > > > > > > > >reduction
> > > > > > > > > > >> > in box temperature, thats what convinced me it was
> > doing
> > > > its
> > > > > > job.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Lets hear your opinion including others like good
> > assembly
> > > > > > lubes
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > >other
> > > > > > > > > > >> > special brews you have for particular purposes,
there
> > has
> > > > to be
> > > > > > > plenty
> > > > > > > > > > >out
> > > > > > > > > > >> > there.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Chris Harris New Zealand..
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