I heard it was pee in your pants
The Timer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
Cc: "Clay, Dale" <Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com>; "'Dave Dahlgren'"
<ddahlgren@snet.net>; "Ed Van Scoy" <edvs@uswest.net>; "tim schoeny"
<tschoen@fuse.net>; "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat@pro-blend.com>; "John
Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Additives/AMO
> Yes, but its only once a year for us (I think).........
>
> Joe (who's fastest record runs were done with pee in the oil) Amo
>
> Keith Turk wrote:
>
> > WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK ...... she tells the world....
> >
> > Man I love the Beat up Amo day..it's so much better then the Beat up
Keith
> > day....
> >
> > K
> > ----------
> > > From: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
> > > To: Clay, Dale <Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com>
> > > Cc: 'Dave Dahlgren' <ddahlgren@snet.net>; Ed Van Scoy
<edvs@uswest.net>;
> > tim schoeny <tschoen@fuse.net>; Skip Higginbotham
<saltrat@pro-blend.com>;
> > John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>; land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Re: Additives
> > > Date: Thursday, January 11, 2001 3:24 PM
> > >
> > > Dale, come on now, its not us vs them!! You hit the nail on the
head,
> > this
> > > world takes all kinds of everything!! Who owns the all out bike
record
> > (not
> > > counting Fueling)? Yes Harley!! Even though the imports (bikes)
> > provide
> > > superior engineering, it does not necessarily make them BETTER bikes,
> > its all
> > > in the eye/feeling of the OWNER.
> > >
> > > Joe (I make judgements ALL the time, and on many occassions, should
keep
> > them to
> > > myself, just ask my wife) Amo
> > >
> > > "Clay, Dale" wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'd like to appologize to anyone offended by my PS. My real point
was
> > > > everyone should be doing their own thing. There has been too much
"us
> > vs.
> > > > them" in motorcycles both ways.
> > > >
> > > > I've owned and raced Japanse, European AND American bikes, carts and
> > cars.
> > > > I make no judgements on what anybody here does. I enjoy the
diversity.
> > > >
> > > > Dale
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Joe Amo [mailto:jkamo@rapidnet.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 1:33 PM
> > > > To: Clay, Dale
> > > > Cc: 'Dave Dahlgren'; Ed Van Scoy; tim schoeny; Skip Higginbotham;
John
> > > > Beckett; land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > > Subject: Re: Additives
> > > >
> > > > """PS: I've got a 50 year old Harley, still running strong. When
was
> > the
> > > > last
> > > > time you saw even a 20 year old Kawasaki on the street? Yeah, a few
> > maybe
> > > > and that's cool when you do. """
> > > >
> > > > THE POINT BEING, THOSE JAP BIKES YOU SEE THAT OLD RUNNING AROUND,
HAVE
> > NOT
> > > > BEEN
> > > > APART, HOW MANY TIMES HAS THAT 50 YR OLD MOTOR BEEN APART?, and you
> > must
> > > > realize that 20 yr old Kaw (and other jap stuff) has run with turbos
> > > > (Charlie
> > > > Toy, Don Vesco) with nearly ALL stock internals from 230 to 330
mph!!!!
> > > >
> > > > AND when you compare the hp per liter engine size vs miles between
> > rebuilds,
> > > > well...........................
> > > >
> > > > Joe (knowing full well why Harley Factory offers a MOTOR rebuild
> > program for
> > > > the
> > > > NEW EVO motors) Amo
> > > >
> > > > "Clay, Dale" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey Dave, take it easy on us old air cooled, push rod guys. Your
> > same
> > > > > arguments could apply to flatheads, but I don't want them to go
away!
> > > > > Different strokes, ya know ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Plenty of race Harley's run synthetics (Red Line, Amsoil, Mobile
1,
> > etc.)
> > > > > and do just fine. One reason I suspect Harley doesn't want you
> > running
> > > > > synthetics is they have oil refined for them under their own label
> > and a
> > > > lot
> > > > > of the new Harley riders are afraid to use anything not
recommended
> > by The
> > > > > Motor Company (emphasis added).
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm really glad to see this string take off, good stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dale
> > > > >
> > > > > PS: I've got a 50 year old Harley, still running strong. When
was
> > the
> > > > last
> > > > > time you saw even a 20 year old Kawasaki on the street? Yeah, a
few
> > maybe
> > > > > and that's cool when you do. Hey it's like women; some like tall
> > blondes,
> > > > > some red heads with freckles, some even like the round sort. Vive
le
> > > > > difference!
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Dave Dahlgren [mailto:ddahlgren@snet.net]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:30 AM
> > > > > To: Ed Van Scoy
> > > > > Cc: tim schoeny; Skip Higginbotham; John Beckett;
> > > > > land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > > > Subject: Re: Additives
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed you do realize why 90% or all harleys built are still on
> > > > > the road today don't you?
> > > > > It's because the other 10% made it home in one piece.......
> > > > > Aren't these the engines so ineffiecnt that they pretty much
> > > > > race against themselves. They quote #'s like 120 hp for a
> > > > > hot rod piece at 110 inches.. geez some kid in a old
> > > > > Kawasaki street bike can out run that..they might want to
> > > > > swap that thing out for Chucks old datsun piece..
> > > > >
> > > > > And a quiz question for the list what is the largest engine
> > > > > builder in the world in volume of engines sold per year
> > > > > sheer number of engines..
> > > > > Dave Dahlgren
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed Van Scoy wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > FWIW, Corvette comes from the factory filled with Mobil 1
> > synthetic, so
> > > > > they
> > > > > > obviously aren't worried about break-in. Since we are on this
> > topic,
> > > > > question for
> > > > > > bike guys (or others) Do you use synthetic oil? Reason I ask is
> > there is
> > > > a
> > > > > raging
> > > > > > argument in the Harley world about pros & cons of synthetics.
Mobil
> > 1
> > > > > already makes
> > > > > > an air-cooled engine synthetic.......Lots of manufacturers use
> > > > > semi-synthetic from
> > > > > > the factory. Harley will void your warrenty if they find it in
your
> > > > > bike........For
> > > > > > some reason the manual says that if you find the oil level low
on
> > your
> > > > > Harley &
> > > > > > Harley oil isn't available, use diesel oil! Can any of you
> > lube-gurus
> > > > > explain that
> > > > > > to me?
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tim schoeny wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > My cam grinder and short block builder both recommend
> > "conventional"
> > > > oil
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > break-in and then(if you want) synthetic for racing..Honda
rings
> > take
> > > > > forever to
> > > > > > > seat and starting out with syn. is not recommended.Just what I
> > do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > > > Schoeny
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Skip Higginbotham wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > By the way, if you put Pro-blend in a new engine's oil it
will
> > take
> > > > > about 5
> > > > > > > > times longer to break the rings in. Guess where the benefit
is?
> > > > Better
> > > > > > > > lubrication.
> > > > > > > > S
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Not true, John.
> > > > > > > > Break-in should take about 10% longer but there is no reason
> > not to
> > > > > use the
> > > > > > > > oil.
> > > > > > > > Skip Higginbotham
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At 01:58 PM 1/10/01 , you wrote:
> > > > > > > > >It was my understanding the synthitic oils of any kind are
a
> > NO NO
> > > > in
> > > > > new
> > > > > > > > >componets. They do not allow the proper break-in to take
> > place, and
> > > > > should
> > > > > > > > >only be used in components after the normal break-in has
been
> > > > > finished.
> > > > > > > > >What say ye?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >John Beckett
> > > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > >From: "DOUG ODOM" <popms@thegrid.net>
> > > > > > > > >To: "Chris R Harris" <yesford@clear.net.nz>
> > > > > > > > >Cc: "land-speed" <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:23 PM
> > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Additives
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Chris; Slick 50 is nothing more than Dupont Teflon
> > repackaged. In
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> states we can buy the K-mart teflon for less money and
it's
> > the
> > > > > same
> > > > > > > > >> thing. A friend of mine did some testing with mobil one
and
> > > > teflon
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > > >> the dyno. He said he made the most power with one Quart
> > mobil one
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >> five quarts teflon. The bearings never took a hit. I
thought
> > > > about
> > > > > using
> > > > > > > > >> it myself instead of straight mobil one but I guess I
lack
> > the
> > > > > testicle
> > > > > > > > >> fortitude. I have used Amsoil in transmissions and rear
ends
> > with
> > > > > good
> > > > > > > > >> luck but the one time I tried it in a motor it started to
> > wear
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> bearings. Change back to Valvoline 50w and the bearings
> > > > > (vandervell) ran
> > > > > > > > >> all season with no wear. Just my 2 cents worth.
> > > > > > > > >> Doug Odom in big ditch
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Chris R Harris wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Compliments of the season to all on the list, thinking
> > > > > positively, 2001
> > > > > > > > >is
> > > > > > > > >> > going to be a great year.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > New subject additives. What is the lists opinion on the
> > > > subject,
> > > > > do you
> > > > > > > > >have a
> > > > > > > > >> > favorite, are they strictly 'mouse milk', most
certainly
> > don't
> > > > > stack up
> > > > > > > > >to
> > > > > > > > >> > the claims made, some definitely do help. The one I use
in
> > my
> > > > > manual
> > > > > > > > >trans and
> > > > > > > > >> > diff on the roadster (definitely not the engine though)
is
> > > > Slick
> > > > > 50. My
> > > > > > > > >> > experience here was using a heavy rotary slasher on the
> > farm.
> > > > > Powered by
> > > > > > > > >a 100
> > > > > > > > >> > hp tractor, these very basic slashers swinging a heavy
hub
> > with
> > > > 4
> > > > > > > > >swinging
> > > > > > > > >> > blades, had a simple right angle bevel gear box between
> > the PTO
> > > > > shaft
> > > > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > >> > blade. In heavy going that box would get stink'in hot,
> > couldn't
> > > > > touch
> > > > > > > > >it,
> > > > > > > > >> > always used the recommended oil. The addition of Slick
> > made a
> > > > > huge
> > > > > > > > >reduction
> > > > > > > > >> > in box temperature, thats what convinced me it was
doing
> > its
> > > > job.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Lets hear your opinion including others like good
assembly
> > > > lubes
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > > >other
> > > > > > > > >> > special brews you have for particular purposes, there
has
> > to be
> > > > > plenty
> > > > > > > > >out
> > > > > > > > >> > there.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Chris Harris New Zealand..
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