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Re: [Healeys] Whitworth vs UNC

To: Bob Haskell <rchaskell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Whitworth vs UNC
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 12:48:11 -0500
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Thanks Bob  ... I  think you have nailed it.

M

On Wed., Dec. 23, 2020, 12:46 p.m. Bob Haskell, <rchaskell@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Michael,
>
> I'm going to guess 1/4" BSP.  0.518" OD - 19TPI.
>
> https://britishfasteners.com/threads-bsp
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob Haskell
> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>
> On 12/23/20 11:30 AM, Michael Salter wrote:
> > Well I have one for you Curt.
> > The thread on the oil drain back pipe on the 100 engine (1B1236) has
> > me stumped.
> > The tube is 0.500" O.D. with an I.D. of 0.362"
> > The OD of the thread is 0.511" and it is 19 T.P.I.
> > I cannot find a 19 TPI x 1/2" pipe or tube spec anywhere .... any ideas=
?
> >
> > M
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 10:54 AM Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com
> >
> >     Here is an excerpt from one of my articles...
> >
> >     On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 1:48 PM Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com
> >
> >         The bolt is 5/16" BSW!   Don't let anyone tell you different.
> >
> >         Even my 45K original mile '60 Bugeye has its original 5/16"
> >         BSW bolt in the generator front plate.  The problem arises
> >         since a 5/16" UNC bolt has the same tpi (threads per inch) as
> >         the 5/16" BSW bolt.  The issue is that UNC has a thread pitch
> >         angle of 60=C2=B0 and Whitworth by definition is 55=C2=B0. The =
wrong
> >         bolt will never torque properly and will eventually wear the
> >         aluminum generator front plate.
> >
> >         Cheers,
> >
> >         Curt
> >
> >         On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 3:53 PM Roger Grace
> >
> >             My understanding is that they are close but not
> >             interchangeable ?
> >             Thread angles are slightly different.
> >
> >             For AH generator adjusting link is this 5/16 W or 5/16 UNC =
?
> >
> >             At back of my mind think they should be Whitworth -  think
> >             you told me that is why they come loose if you use UNC ?
> >
> >             Finding it difficult to identify one from the other.
> >             Any tips to do this welcome.
> >             Have a definite W bolt and comparing to UNC can only see
> >             slight rounding of UNC ?
> >
> >             Moss sent me a UNC bolt for this link - well that is what
> >             they called it ?
> >
> >             Would appreciate your expert input.
> >
> >             Regards,
> >             Roger Grace
> >
> >
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<div dir=3D"auto">Thanks Bob=C2=A0 ... I=C2=A0 think you have nailed it.=C2=
=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed., Dec. 23, 2=
020, 12:46 p.m. Bob Haskell, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rchaskell@earthlink.net"=
>rchaskell@earthlink.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">Michael,<br>
<br>
I&#39;m going to guess 1/4&quot; BSP.=C2=A0 0.518&quot; OD - 19TPI.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://britishfasteners.com/threads-bsp"; rel=3D"noreferrer nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://britishfasteners.com/threads-bsp</a><br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Bob Haskell<br>
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar<br>
<br>
On 12/23/20 11:30 AM, Michael Salter wrote:<br>
&gt; Well I have one for you Curt.<br>
&gt; The thread on the oil drain back pipe on the 100 engine (1B1236) has <=
br>
&gt; me stumped.<br>
&gt; The tube is 0.500&quot; O.D. with an I.D. of 0.362&quot;<br>
&gt; The OD of the thread is 0.511&quot; and it is 19 T.P.I.<br>
&gt; I cannot find a 19 TPI x 1/2&quot; pipe or tube spec anywhere .... any=
 ideas?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; M<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 10:54 AM Curtis Arndt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cn=
aarndt@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">cnaarndt@gmail.com</=
a> <br>
&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">cnaarndt@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Here is an excerpt from one of my articles...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 1:48 PM Curtis Arndt &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">cn=
aarndt@gmail.com</a><br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">cnaarndt@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br=
>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The bolt is 5/16&quot; BSW!=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0Don&#39;t let anyone tell you different.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Even my 45K original mile &#39;60 Bug=
eye has its original 5/16&quot;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0BSW bolt in the generator front plate=
.=C2=A0 The problem arises<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0since a 5/16&quot; UNC bolt has the s=
ame tpi (threads per inch) as<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the 5/16&quot; BSW bolt.=C2=A0 The is=
sue is that UNC has a thread pitch<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0angle of 60=C2=B0=C2=A0and Whitworth =
by definition is 55=C2=B0. The wrong<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bolt will never torque properly and w=
ill eventually wear the<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0aluminum generator front plate.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cheers,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Curt<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 3:53 PM Roger=
 Grace<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.=
net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">roggrace@telus.net</a> &lt;mailto=
:<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>roggrace@telus.net</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0My understanding is tha=
t they are close but not<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0interchangeable ?<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thread angles are sligh=
tly different.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0For AH generator adjust=
ing link is this 5/16 W or 5/16 UNC ?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0At back of my mind thin=
k they should be Whitworth -=C2=A0 think<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you told me that is why=
 they come loose if you use UNC ?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Finding it difficult to=
 identify one from the other.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Any tips to do this wel=
come.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Have a definite W bolt =
and comparing to UNC can only see<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0slight rounding of UNC =
?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Moss sent me a UNC bolt=
 for this link - well that is what<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0they called it ?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Would appreciate your e=
xpert input.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Regards,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Roger Grace<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
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