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..the plot thickens...
On 1/26/2015 4:26 PM, Wilko2 wrote:
> My BN6 has no O-ring, and the BMC workshop manual doesn't show one.
>
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2015, at 3:19 PM, John Rowe wrote:
>
>> I am thinking that would BMC engineering in those days be so
>> sophisticated that they would be worried about .004? to .010?.
>> Judging from what I have seen over the years, I doubt it. IIRC, I
>> used a grey silicone as a sealer- works ok for me.
>> John Rowe
>> Qld Australia
>> BN1 BT7
>> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net]*On Behalf
>> Of*Michael Salter
>> *Sent:*Tuesday, 27 January 2015 7:46 AM
>> *To:*Steve B. Gerow
>> *Subject:*Re: [Healeys] Rear axle gasket question
>> Well you may be over thinking it but you are at least keeping us
>> amused :-)
>> BTW the BN1, BN2 and 100S didn't have the "O" ring seal so I think in
>> their cases the gasket was the seal..
>> Pooffff goes that theory..
>> Michael S
>> BN1 #174
>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Steve B. Gerow
>> The whole idea of the gasket-as-shim has a certain logic to it -
>> except the o-ring does the actual sealing, correct?
>>
>> Is this the idea: when we tighten the lug nuts, we compress the
>> gasket from, say .014" to .010". At .010, the axle center makes
>> contact with the spacer ring and bearing, coming to a stop. There is
>> then .010" between the carrier and axle flange. The gasket takes up
>> the slack - is the compressed gasket strong enough to in effect be a
>> shim between these two parts?
>>
>> Michael - maybe when extra-tightening of the lug nuts, the axle
>> flange is also bending slightly to take up this gap.
>>
>> Betcha I'm over-thinking this! :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Steve Gerow
>>
>>
>>
>> > -------Original Message-------
>> > From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com
>> > To: Steve B. Gerow <steveg@abrazosdata.com
>> > Cc:warthodson@aol.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rear axle gasket question
>> > Sent: Jan 26 '15 11:28
>> >
>> > One other observation on this subject.
>> >
>> >
>> > This is, I believe, the only place on a Healey where 'conical"
>> seat nuts
>> > are used.
>> > It has been my experience that conical seat nuts always require
>> re-torquing
>> > after a little use. Just like the lug nuts on your every day
>> driver if
>> > you torque them up, then drive the car for a bit you will find
>> that the
>> > nuts will take up to half a turn just to restore them to the original
>> > torque.
>> >
>> >
>> > That said however I do have to agree with Chris regarding
>> aggressive use.
>> > On AHX12 we found it necessary to re-torque those nuts after every
>> day of
>> > competition and they would always go on an additional flat or so..
>> I always
>> > wondered where that extra tightening room came from because after
>> a week of
>> > Targa Newfoundland we would have tightened the nuts at least one
>> full turn
>> > ... that's 0.055".
>> >
>> >
>> > I "forgot" to mention to co-driver Michael O that a likely cause was
>> > stretching of the studs..:-).
>> >
>> >
>> > Michael S
>> > [LINK:http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/ahx12.html]
>> > http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/ahx12.html
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Steve B. Gerow <[LINK:
>> > mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com
>> > Some observations:
>> > New Moss gasket - .014"
>> > Old gasket originally coated with Hylomar, as removed from axle -
>> .010"
>> >
>> > .004" = copier paper
>> >
>> > My axle is buttoned up with a new gasket and the rear
>> rotor/caliper back
>> > in place or I'd try to do a science project here.
>> >
>> > For a gasket thickness, perhaps if one were to bolt the assembly
>> together
>> > without gasket and measure the gap with shims, then add .003" to that.
>> >
>> > The new bearing, assembled with heat and cold per Tom Monaco's
>> > instructions, is a tight fit in the carrier and axle - IIRC the
>> bearing
>> > depends on this more than the compression of the spacer, gasket, etc.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Steve Gerow
>> > Altadena, CA
>> > BN6
>> >
>> >
>> > > -------Original Message-------
>> > > From: [LINK: mailto:warthodson@aol.com
>> > > To: [LINK: mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk
>> > > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rear axle gasket question
>> > > Sent: Jan 26 '15 08:41
>> > >
>> > > I have not tried it but I doubt it. On the three axles I have
>> actual
>> > > experience with the gasket needed to be Approx. 0.004" thick so
>> that
>> > the
>> > > spacer met the specified tolerances in the workshop manual. The
>> > gaskets I
>> > > purchased were all approx. 0.010" thick. That would be a lot of
>> > squish. You
>> > > would have to squish it without the bearing spacer in place. Then
>> > remove
>> > > the axle & measure how much the spacer stood proud of the
>> gasket. Then
>> > > reassemble everything, if it met spec. It seemed easier to just
>> make a
>> > > gasket of the proper thickness.
>> > >
>> > > Gary Hodson
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > From: Simon Lachlan <[LINK: mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk
>> > > Subject: RE: [Healeys] Rear axle gasket question
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > If you soaked the too big gaskets in, say, WD40, wouldn?t they
>> > compress
>> > > down to a proper size as you tightened up?
>> > >
>> > > Just a thought..............
>> > >
>> > > Simon
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..the plot thickens...<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/26/2015 4:26 PM, Wilko2 wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:B886FB81-C171-4AEC-866A-12974EA316F7@cox.net"
type="cite"><base href="x-msg://108/">
<div>My BN6 has no O-ring, and the BMC workshop manual doesn't
show one. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div>On Jan 26, 2015, at 3:19 PM, John Rowe wrote:</div>
<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I am thinking
that would BMC engineering in those days be so
sophisticated that they would be worried about .004?
to .010?. Judging from what I have seen over the
years, I doubt it. IIRC, I used a grey silicone as a
sealer- works ok for me.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">John
Rowe<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Qld
Australia<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">BN1
BT7<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif; " lang="EN-US"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Healeys
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Michael
Salter<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
27 January 2015 7:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Steve
B. Gerow<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Healeys] Rear axle gasket
question<o:p></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;
"><o:p> </o:p></div>
<div>
<div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; "><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans
MS'; ">Well you may be over thinking it but you
are at least keeping us amused
:-)<o:p></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; "><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans
MS'; ">BTW the BN1, BN2 and 100S didn't have the
"O" ring seal so I think in their cases the
gasket was the seal..<o:p></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; "><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans
MS'; ">Pooffff goes that
theory..<o:p></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; "><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans
MS'; ">Michael S<o:p></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; "><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans
MS'; ">BN1 #174<o:p></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div>
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font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; "><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans
MS'; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
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<div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; ">On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Steve B.
Gerow <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com"
target="_blank" style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;
">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; ">The whole idea of the gasket-as-shim has
a certain logic to it - except the o-ring does the
actual sealing, correct?<br>
<br>
Is this the idea: when we tighten the lug nuts, we
compress the gasket from, say .014" to .010". At
.010, the axle center makes contact with the
spacer ring and bearing, coming to a stop. There
is then .010" between the carrier and axle flange.
The gasket takes up the slack - is the compressed
gasket strong enough to in effect be a shim
between these two parts?<br>
<br>
Michael - maybe when extra-tightening of the lug
nuts, the axle flange is also bending slightly to
take up this gap.<br>
<br>
Betcha I'm over-thinking this! :-)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Steve Gerow<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> -------Original Message-------<br>
> From: Michael Salter <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: Steve B. Gerow <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>><br>
> Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:warthodson@aol.com" style="color:
blue; text-decoration: underline;
">warthodson@aol.com</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:warthodson@aol.com" style="color:
blue; text-decoration: underline;
">warthodson@aol.com</a>>,<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk</a>,<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rear axle gasket
question<br>
> Sent: Jan 26 '15 11:28<br>
><br>
> One other observation on this subject.<br>
><br>
><br>
> This is, I believe, the only place on a
Healey where 'conical" seat nuts<br>
> are used.<br>
> It has been my experience that conical seat
nuts always require re-torquing<br>
> after a little use. Just like the lug nuts
on your every day driver if<br>
> you torque them up, then drive the car for a
bit you will find that the<br>
> nuts will take up to half a turn just to
restore them to the original<br>
> torque.<br>
><br>
><br>
> That said however I do have to agree with
Chris regarding aggressive use.<br>
> On AHX12 we found it necessary to re-torque
those nuts after every day of<br>
> competition and they would always go on an
additional flat or so.. I always<br>
> wondered where that extra tightening room
came from because after a week of<br>
> Targa Newfoundland we would have tightened
the nuts at least one full turn<br>
> ... that's 0.055".<br>
><br>
><br>
> I "forgot" to mention to co-driver Michael O
that a likely cause was<br>
> stretching of the studs..:-).<br>
><br>
><br>
> Michael S<br>
> [LINK:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/ahx12.html"
target="_blank" style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;
">http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/ahx12.html</a>]<br>
> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/ahx12.html"
target="_blank" style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;
">http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/ahx12.html</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Steve B.
Gerow <[LINK:<br>
> mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Some observations:<br>
> New Moss gasket - .014"<br>
> Old gasket originally coated with Hylomar,
as removed from axle - .010"<br>
><br>
> .004" = copier paper<br>
><br>
> My axle is buttoned up with a new gasket and
the rear rotor/caliper back<br>
> in place or I'd try to do a science project
here.<br>
><br>
> For a gasket thickness, perhaps if one were
to bolt the assembly together<br>
> without gasket and measure the gap with
shims, then add .003" to that.<br>
><br>
> The new bearing, assembled with heat and
cold per Tom Monaco's<br>
> instructions, is a tight fit in the carrier
and axle - IIRC the bearing<br>
> depends on this more than the compression of
the spacer, gasket, etc.<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Steve Gerow<br>
> Altadena, CA<br>
> BN6<br>
><br>
><br>
> > -------Original Message-------<br>
> > From: [LINK: mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:warthodson@aol.com" style="color:
blue; text-decoration: underline;
">warthodson@aol.com</a>]<span
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href="mailto:warthodson@aol.com" style="color:
blue; text-decoration: underline;
">warthodson@aol.com</a><br>
> > To: [LINK: mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk</a>]<br>
> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk</a>, [LINK:
mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>]<br>
> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>, [LINK: mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">healeys@autox.team.net</a>]<br>
> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rear axle
gasket question<br>
> > Sent: Jan 26 '15 08:41<br>
> ><br>
> > I have not tried it but I doubt it. On
the three axles I have actual<br>
> > experience with the gasket needed to
be Approx. 0.004" thick so that<br>
> the<br>
> > spacer met the specified tolerances in
the workshop manual. The<br>
> gaskets I<br>
> > purchased were all approx. 0.010"
thick. That would be a lot of<br>
> squish. You<br>
> > would have to squish it without the
bearing spacer in place. Then<br>
> remove<br>
> > the axle & measure how much the
spacer stood proud of the gasket. Then<br>
> > reassemble everything, if it met spec.
It seemed easier to just make a<br>
> > gasket of the proper thickness.<br>
> ><br>
> > Gary Hodson<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > From: Simon Lachlan <[LINK: mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
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> > Subject: RE: [Healeys] Rear axle
gasket question<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > If you soaked the too big gaskets in,
say, WD40, wouldn?t they<br>
> compress<br>
> > down to a proper size as you tightened
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> > Just a thought..............<br>
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> > Simon<br>
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