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tire rules are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I =
understand it. VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire rules) =
have never allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here. =
However, it=E2=80=99s not enforced, so cars have been seen that go =
through tech with treaded tires, which may end up being raced with other =
tires - just sayin! Tech is basically a safety process, not a rules =
enforcement - we are supposed to be self-policing. I think you=E2=80=99re=
seeing a pretty good reaction here because of the late timing of the =
announcement, and also because many of the Triumph racers at this event =
run a lot of races with VRG and other east coast clubs that require =
treaded tires. It really does put the cars on an unequal footing (no =
pun intended) and all other things being equal, the car on slicks will =
be significantly faster. We all know ways we could make our cars faster =
- wider wheels, spoilers, air dams, programmable ignition - but that=E2=80=
=99s not vintage.
I for one am glad to see other interesting Triumphs show up for the =
event, even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires into who gets the =
awards. I personally feel that if you podium by 1-2 seconds a lap on =
slicks, you=E2=80=99ve lost your bragging rights. =20
Just my 2 cents.
Scott
On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
Just a question.
=20
When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks =
in the K-Cup race.
Has the rule been changed that slicks are not allowed anymore?
=20
Cheers
Chris
=20
=20
Von: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net =
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 19:49
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums =
during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.
Jason
=20
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =
> Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while =
setting standards for who can podium.=20
> =20
> Am I missing something on that angle?=20
> =20
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot =
>> Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which =
typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s =
for this event. =20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot =
>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BF=20
>>> Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner =
Cup this year (39 as of today). But it would be great to be at 40 or =
more for the 20th Kastner Cup!=20
>>> =20
>>> I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of =
our group that typically run on slick tires. PVGP has modified the "no =
slicks" rule for Triumphs. You can run grooved slick tires in the =
Kastner Cup. You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, =
but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition. For =
those that don't have tire options this will certainly help. =20
>>> =20
>>> So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever =
reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race. =20=
>>> =20
>>> Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup. After July =
1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!
>>> 2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race =
<https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pit=
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<https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pit=
tsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>
>>> =20
>>> Thanks.=20
>>> =20
>>> Curt Johnston=20
>>> Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair=20
>>> 707-249-1667=20
>>> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">tire =
rules are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I =
understand it. VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire =
rules) have never allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here. =
However, it=E2=80=99s not enforced, so cars have been seen that go =
through tech with treaded tires, which may end up being raced with other =
tires - just sayin! Tech is basically a safety process, not a =
rules enforcement - we are supposed to be self-policing. I think =
you=E2=80=99re seeing a pretty good reaction here because of the late =
timing of the announcement, and also because many of the Triumph racers =
at this event run a lot of races with VRG and other east coast clubs =
that require treaded tires. It really does put the cars on an =
unequal footing (no pun intended) and all other things being equal, the =
car on slicks will be significantly faster. We all know ways we =
could make our cars faster - wider wheels, spoilers, air dams, =
programmable ignition - but that=E2=80=99s not vintage.<div class=3D"">I =
for one am glad to see other interesting Triumphs show up for the event, =
even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires into who gets the awards. =
I personally feel that if you podium by 1-2 seconds a lap on =
slicks, you=E2=80=99ve lost your bragging rights. <br =
class=3D""><div>Just my 2 cents.</div><div>Scott</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><div class=3D"">On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris =
Marx via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana-Bold; =
font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"DE" class=3D"">Just a =
question.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"DE" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 =
there were cars on slicks in the K-Cup race.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Has the rule been changed =
that slicks are not allowed anymore?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Cheers<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Chris<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; =
border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"DE" =
class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span lang=3D"DE" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=3D"">Im Auftrag =
von<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jason Sukey =
via Fot<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Montag, 27. Juni 2022 =
19:49<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Brian Dolan <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bdolan1776@gmail.com"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">bdolan1776@gmail.com</a>><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friends of Triumph <<a =
href=3D"mailto:Fot@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">Fot@autox.team.net</a>><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire =
Regulations<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">The way I =
read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the =
K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Jason<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via =
Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"border-style:=
none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: =
rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; =
margin-right: 0cm;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more =
people to race, while setting standards for who can podium. <o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Am I =
missing something on that angle? <o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via =
Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"border-style: none =
none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, =
204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: =
0cm;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Not =
good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically =
requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this =
event. <o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></p><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><blockquote =
style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt =
Johnston via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: =
5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D"">Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars =
registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today). But it =
would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup!<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D"">I wanted to =
share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that =
typically run on slick tires. PVGP has modified the "no slicks" =
rule for Triumphs. You can run<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong class=3D""><u =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">grooved slick tires</span></u></strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>in the Kastner Cup. =
You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not =
be eligible for any awards for podium recognition. For those that =
don't have tire options this will certainly help. <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D"">So if you're =
on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please =
consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race. <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D"">Regular entry =
fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup. <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">After July 1, =
the fee goes up to $645, so act now!</span></strong><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><strong class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D""><a=
=
href=3D"https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-r=
ace-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">2022 PVGP =
Historics at Pitt Race</a></span></strong><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" =
class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-r=
ace-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>(motorsportreg.com)</a><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D"">Thanks.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
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