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We've found it necessary to run synthetic gear oil in the endurance TR6. We
run 8 and 7 hour races in ChampCar and the gear oil takes a beating. I was
a 100% conventional GL4 believer until we melted the poly diff bushings.
Synthetic gear oil solved that problem.
Bob Kramer
On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 11:13 AM Paul Ricco via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
wrote:
> P.J.
>
> I know that a lot of people on FOT have had different experiences with
> lubricants and there is not one correct answer for all people. So I do n=
ot
> wish to imply that our way is the only way.
>
> We have been testing oils for the last few years. We wanted to understan=
d
> how different products and brands worked with our specific car.
>
> We have removed all sythethic and semi-synthetic lubricants from our car.
>
> We have switched back to very high quality conventional mineral based
> lubricants.
>
> Some of the products we are using go back to things that we learned racin=
g
> Porsche cars 35 years ago. Things that some of the foremost Porsche raci=
ng
> experts in the US shared with us over the years. These are people that
> support many racing winning cars all over the US. One is an engineer by
> trade. Our car is much happier with the conventional lubricants. We cho=
se
> brands and products very carefully. We research the specs in detail and
> speak to the engineering departments of the companies that produce them.
>
> Our findings are this, cars that were engineered and designed to run
> conventional mineral based oils sometimes prefer them. The tolerances an=
d
> types of gaskets that were used when our cars were designed pre-date the
> use of synthetic oils in automobiles. Not to say that synthetics cannot
> work, however we are happier with our car running very high quality
> conventional lubricants. We have found that the additive packages and
> detergents in modern synthetic are too aggressive for our car. They were
> causing us more pains than benefits. We change the oils on a regular
> basis, so aggressive additive packages are not a big benefit for us.
>
> A couple things to consider when choosing them:
>
> 1. Gear Oil - If you have a limited slip, make sure it has the correct
> additive package for the LS. If you still have brass in the gearbox or
> diff, make sure the oil does not exclude its use with brass. This is not
> as simple as just GL-4 or GL-5 specs. There are a lot of GL-5 spec oils
> that are safe with brass. The brass issue comes down to other additives.
> Read the label and check with the company that makes it.
> 2. Engine Oil - High ZDDP content is important
>
> We just got done running pretty hard at BHF in very hot weather. As many
> as 4 sessions a day with only 15 minute breaks between some of them. Our
> car was very happy with the conventional products that are in it now.
> Temperatures of the motor and gearbox were down and shifting was very
> consistent throughout all sessions.
>
> Just my experience and thoughts.
>
> Paul Ricco
>
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:29 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Yup same here, it makes the sync rings crunchy!
>
> Glen Efinger
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John H. Hasty via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> To: walt@hot-tr6.com <walt@hot-tr6.com>
> Cc: Brad Eells via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2022 10:08 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
>
> Us three
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:21 AM, walt--- via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> I have a lot of experience using synthetic lubricants in racing engines,
> transmissions and differentials. There are lots of advantages such as the
> differential running cooler etc. however the limited slip probably will n=
ot
> function as effectively. With regards to transmissions it has been my
> experience that with synthetic lube installed the syncros do not function
> as effectively and shifts will be slower, you=E2=80=99ll have to double c=
lutch more
> then parts will fail.
> Walter Hollowell
>
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Aaron Johnson via
> Fot
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2022 6:27 AM
> *To:* DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net>
> *Cc:* Brad Eells via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
>
> i've heard of good l with lightweight shock proof in the transmission as
> well. Maybe a quick note to Jamie Houseman (racegearbox.com) as he is
> the T50 Guru!
>
> aaron
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 11:26 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Same as Brad.
> Dave H.
> > On 06/21/2022 7:00 PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Redline MT-90 GL-4 for the gearbox.
> >
> > Redline Lightweight Shockproof for the diff.
> >
> > Brad Eells
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 21, 2022, at 6:56 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <
> fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > =EF=BB=BF
> > > Hi Friends.
> > > I am looking for recommendations as to which synthetic gear lube to
> use in my GT6? Transmission is Toyota T50, rear end is GT6 ,would like t=
o
> convert both to synthetic.
> > > Thanks. P.J.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">We've found it necessary=C2=A0to run synthetic gear oi=
l in the endurance TR6. We run 8 and 7 hour races in ChampCar and the gear =
oil takes a beating.=C2=A0 I was a 100% conventional GL4 believer until we =
melted the poly diff bushings. Synthetic gear oil solved that problem.=C2=
=A0<div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signat=
ure" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></=
div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 11:13 AM Paul Ricco via Fot <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"over=
flow-wrap: break-word;">P.J.<div><br></div><div>I know that a lot of people=
on FOT have had different experiences with lubricants and there is not one=
correct answer for all people.=C2=A0 So I do not wish to imply that our wa=
y is the only way.<br><div><br></div><div>We have been testing oils for the=
last few years.=C2=A0 We wanted to understand how different products and b=
rands worked with our specific car. =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>We have=
removed all sythethic and semi-synthetic lubricants from our car.</div><di=
v><br></div><div>We have switched back to very high quality conventional mi=
neral based lubricants. =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Some of the product=
s we are using go back to things that we learned racing Porsche cars 35 yea=
rs ago.=C2=A0 Things that some of the foremost Porsche racing experts in th=
e US shared with us over the years.=C2=A0 These are people that support man=
y racing winning cars all over the US.=C2=A0 One is an engineer by trade.=
=C2=A0 Our car is much happier with the conventional lubricants.=C2=A0 We c=
hose brands and products very carefully.=C2=A0 We research the specs in det=
ail and speak to the engineering departments of the companies that produce =
them.</div><div><br></div><div>Our findings are this, cars that were engine=
ered and designed to run conventional mineral based oils sometimes prefer t=
hem.=C2=A0 The tolerances and types of gaskets that were used when our cars=
were designed pre-date the use of synthetic oils in automobiles.=C2=A0 Not=
to say that synthetics cannot work, however we are happier with our car ru=
nning very high quality conventional lubricants.=C2=A0 We have found that t=
he additive packages and detergents in modern synthetic are too aggressive =
for our car.=C2=A0 They were causing us more pains than benefits.=C2=A0 We =
change the oils on a regular basis, so aggressive additive packages are not=
a big benefit for us.</div><div><br></div><div>A couple things to consider=
when choosing them:</div><div><br></div><div>1.=C2=A0 Gear Oil - If you ha=
ve a limited slip, make sure it has the correct additive package for the LS=
.=C2=A0 If you still have brass in the gearbox or diff, make sure the oil d=
oes not exclude its use with brass.=C2=A0 This is not as simple as just GL-=
4 or GL-5 specs.=C2=A0 There are a lot of GL-5 spec oils that are safe with=
brass.=C2=A0 The brass issue comes down to other additives.=C2=A0 Read the=
label and check with the company that makes it.</div><div>2.=C2=A0 Engine =
Oil - High ZDDP content is important=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>We just=
got done running pretty hard at BHF in very hot weather.=C2=A0 As many as =
4 sessions a day with only 15 minute breaks between some of them.=C2=A0 Our=
car was very happy with the conventional products that are in it now.=C2=
=A0 Temperatures of the motor and gearbox were down and shifting was very c=
onsistent throughout all sessions.</div><div><br></div><div>Just my experie=
nce and thoughts.</div><div><br></div><div>Paul Ricco</div><div><div><br><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:29 AM, fubog1 via Fot &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.ne=
t</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-variant=
-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:10pt;line-hei=
ght:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><div><font size=3D"2">Yu=
p same here, it makes the sync rings crunchy!<br></font></div><div><br></di=
v><div><font size=3D"2">Glen Efinger</font><br></div><div><br></div><div><b=
r></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt"><font siz=
e=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>From: John H. Hasty via Fot <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&g=
t;<br>To:<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:walt@hot-tr6.com"; target=3D"_=
blank">walt@hot-tr6.com</a><span>=C2=A0</span><<a href=3D"mailto:walt@ho=
t-tr6.com" target=3D"_blank">walt@hot-tr6.com</a>><br>Cc: Brad Eells via=
Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.=
team.net</a>><br>Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2022 10:08 am<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] =
synthetic gear lube<br><br></font><div id=3D"gmail-m_2525745057784627340yiv=
3750758958"><font size=3D"2"><div>Us three<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"n=
one"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"=
gmail-m_2525745057784627340yiv3750758958yqtfd29078"><br clear=3D"none"><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite">On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:21 AM, walt--- via Fot <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:under=
line" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"=
><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_25257450577=
84627340yiv3750758958yqtfd35771"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>=EF=BB=BF</div></blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_252574505778462=
7340yiv3750758958yqtfd61108"><div><div id=3D"gmail-m_2525745057784627340yiv=
3750758958yqtfd40284"><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-fam=
ily:sans-serif">I have a lot of experience using synthetic lubricants in ra=
cing engines, transmissions and differentials. There are lots of advantages=
such as the differential running cooler etc. however the limited slip prob=
ably will not function as effectively. With regards to transmissions it has=
been my experience that with synthetic lube installed the syncros do not f=
unction as effectively and shifts will be slower, you=E2=80=99ll have to do=
uble clutch more then parts will fail.</div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-s=
ize:11pt;font-family:sans-serif">Walter Hollowell</div><div style=3D"margin=
:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif">=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"borde=
r-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,2=
25);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-famil=
y:sans-serif"><b>From:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot-=
bounces@autox.team.net" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" targ=
et=3D"_blank">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>><span>=C2=A0</span><b>On Be=
half Of<span>=C2=A0</span></b>Aaron Johnson via Fot<br clear=3D"none"><b>Se=
nt:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Wednesday, June 22, 2022 6:27 AM<br clear=3D"none=
"><b>To:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>DAVE HOGYE <<a href=3D"mailto:dlhogye@com=
cast.net" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">=
dlhogye@comcast.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>=
Brad Eells via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color=
:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&g=
t;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Re: [Fot] synthetic =
gear lube</div></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0</div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-fam=
ily:sans-serif">i've heard of good l with lightweight shock proof in th=
e transmission as well.=C2=A0 Maybe a quick note to Jamie Houseman (<a shap=
e=3D"rect" href=3D"http://racegearbox.com/"; rel=3D"noreferrer noopener" sty=
le=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">racegearbox.c=
om</a>) as he is the T50 Guru!</div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size=
:11pt;font-family:sans-serif">=C2=A0</div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0=
in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif">aaron</div></div></div><div style=
=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif">=C2=A0</div><div><div=
><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif">On Tue, Ju=
n 21, 2022 at 11:26 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mai=
lto:fot@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener" style=3D"color:blue;tex=
t-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:=
</div></div><blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-l=
eft-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;ma=
rgin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-si=
ze:11pt;font-family:sans-serif">Same as Brad.<br clear=3D"none">Dave H.<br =
clear=3D"none">> On 06/21/2022 7:00 PM Brad Eells via Fot <<a shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noopener" st=
yle=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.te=
am.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">><span>=C2=A0</span><br clear=3D=
"none">>=C2=A0<span>=C2=A0</span><br clear=3D"none">> Redline MT-90 G=
L-4 for the gearbox.<span>=C2=A0</span><br clear=3D"none">><span>=C2=A0<=
/span><br clear=3D"none">> Redline Lightweight Shockproof for the diff.<=
br clear=3D"none">><span>=C2=A0</span><br clear=3D"none">> Brad Eells=
<br clear=3D"none">> Sent from my iPhone<br clear=3D"none">><span>=C2=
=A0</span><br clear=3D"none">> > On Jun 21, 2022, at 6:56 PM, McKearn=
McKearn via Fot <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; r=
el=3D"noreferrer noopener" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" t=
arget=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">> &=
gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><br clear=3D"none">> > =EF=BB=BF<br clear=3D"no=
ne">> > Hi Friends.<br clear=3D"none">> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am look=
ing for recommendations as to which synthetic gear lube to use in my GT6?=
=C2=A0 Transmission is Toyota T50, rear end is GT6 ,would like to convert b=
oth to synthetic.=C2=A0<span>=C2=A0</span><br clear=3D"none">> > Than=
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