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Hi - I'm not 100% certain about the thermal properties, but I'm certain th=
at cost was a major part of the engineering decisions to use copper / brass=
back in the day. But for street-driven cars, copper / brass is superior fo=
r a lot of reasons if you leave out the weight as a factor. It's also more =
"forgiving" to road debris and flex than aluminium. For a race car, it's no=
brainer to use aluminium. Way less weight and they usually come with thick=
er cores and more "rows", hence better suited for the application. Aluminum=
does have a limited service life, but you can extend that with proper main=
tenance (flushing the system frequently if you use plain water as the coola=
nt) and checking for cracks / pressure testing (catching problems before th=
ey become big problems).
Regards,Bob Lang
On Tuesday, January 4, 2022, 07:57:24 AM EST, Alexandre Camoletti via F=
ot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
=20
Amici, just a question, doesn=E2=80=99t copper dissipate heat better than a=
luminum ?
=C2=A0
Alex Camoletti=20
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
De=C2=A0: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] De la part de John H. Has=
ty via Fot
Envoy=C3=A9=C2=A0: mardi 4 janvier 2022 02:12
=C3=80=C2=A0: Dave Hogye
Cc=C2=A0: robert bownes; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Objet=C2=A0: Re: [Fot] Aluminium radiators
=C2=A0
We get ours custom made without filler neck ... side hoses... etc from Howe=
... $ 350 +\-
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 3, 2022, at 7:21 PM, Dave Hogye via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
=EF=BB=BF I have been using a Griffin aluminum radiator for over 8 years no=
w. =C2=A0Also, nicely made and good fit in my TR3. =C2=A0I ordered it with =
a shroud and puller fan. $700 total. =C2=A0Radiator only, $500.=C2=A0=20
They will build custom. I ordered mine without the problematic or crack pro=
ne factory style extended filler neck. I fill it from an expansion tank.=C2=
=A0
Dave H.
=C2=A0
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 3, 2022, at 2:32 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
=EF=BB=BFFOT,=20
=C2=A0
We have good experiences with Wizard as well. They have been reliable and t=
he quality is very good. =C2=A0As some people feel that oil coolers are a c=
onsumable a item, our research indicates the same may be true for aluminum =
radiators in cars with cast iron blocks. There are things that can be done =
to help them live for years. However, they eventually need to be replaced d=
ue to the relationship of cast iron, aluminum, water and electrical current=
.=C2=A0=20
=C2=A0
Also, I would say NEVER run any type of coolant stop leak product with an a=
luminum radiator, especially with an iron block. You will plug the radiator=
very-very quickly. =C2=A0Not to mention the mess the stops leaks product m=
akes where your block and head ports are supposed to be able to move coolan=
t. =C2=A0If you are swapping fluids, find the leak and fix it correctly.=C2=
=A0
=C2=A0
I am on year 5 with the last wizard that I purchased and it is still doing =
good.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Paul Ricco
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 3, 2022, at 4:01 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
=EF=BB=BFI got a custom radiator for the GT6 from Wizard a few months ago, =
and it is really beautiful craftsmanship. =C2=A0I had them duplicate the di=
mensions of one I got twelve years ago from an outfit that went out of busi=
ness. =C2=A0They copied it perfectly. About a 6-8 week leadtime, maybe less=
if you are getting off-the-shelf.=20
=C2=A0
I will say that I=E2=80=99d had the prior one repaired a few times - they c=
an be welded or sealed depending on where the damage is. =C2=A0The last tim=
e I did some serious damage to it, so it was truly irreparable.
=C2=A0
Much, much lighter than stock, too.
=C2=A0
Scott
=C2=A0
On Jan 3, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Robert Lang via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
=C2=A0
There are a bunch of answers here, but a lot of TR6 crowd buys them from Wi=
zard Radiator (www.wizardcooling.com)
=C2=A0
There's a guy on the Triumphs list - Art Lipp - that sells the Wizards at a=
discount.
=C2=A0
My one concern about aluminium radiators is that most of the time you can't=
fix them, so if you crack them, it's in the bin for 'em. Copper / brass is=
more forgiving. Ally does have the "wow" factor, though.
=C2=A0
c ya,
rml
=C2=A0
On Monday, January 3, 2022, 03:55:59 PM EST, robert bownes via Fot <fot@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:=20
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Wise(ned) ones,
=C2=A0
Where are folks getting (street) Al radiators nowadays? Just got the origin=
al TR6 rad back from the local radiator shop with an estimate of ~$360 to r=
e-core, re-cap the lower end, and get rid of all the acorns the squirrels h=
ave thoughtfully stashed in mine, so I figure it's probably cheaper to get =
a new Al one than press my luck with the original.=20
=C2=A0
I found 3 row versions for a bit under $200, but they don't seem to know mu=
ch about Triumphs (the pictures have the inlet/outlet pointing in the wrong=
directions) so I figured I'd check here...
=C2=A0
Stay fast!
Bob
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hi - I'm not 100% certain ab=
out the thermal properties, but I'm certain that cost was a major part of t=
he engineering decisions to use copper / brass back in the day. But for str=
eet-driven cars, copper / brass is superior for a lot of reasons if you lea=
ve out the weight as a factor. It's also more "forgiving" to road debris an=
d flex than aluminium. For a race car, it's no brainer to use aluminium. Wa=
y less weight and they usually come with thicker cores and more "rows", hen=
ce better suited for the application. Aluminum does have a limited service =
life, but you can extend that with proper maintenance (flushing the system =
frequently if you use plain water as the coolant) and checking for cracks /=
pressure testing (catching problems before they become big problems).</div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-set=
dir=3D"false">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Tuesday, January 4, 2022, 07:57:24 AM EST, Alexandre=
Camoletti via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<div><br></div>
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<div><div id=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613"><div><div class=
=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082=
613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">Amici, just =
a question, doesn=E2=80=99t copper dissipate heat better than aluminum ?</s=
pan></p><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv26=
23082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">Alex Ca=
moletti </span></p><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:12.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p><p class=3D"ydp82=
916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-=
US"> </span></p><div><div style=3D"border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) c=
urrentcolor currentcolor; border-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt =
medium medium; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613M=
soNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"FR">De :</span>=
</b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"FR"> Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@=
autox.team.net] <b>De la part de</b> John H. Hasty via Fot<br clear=3D"none=
"><b>Envoy=C3=A9 :</b> mardi 4 janvier 2022 02:12<br clear=3D"none"><b=
>=C3=80 :</b> Dave Hogye<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc :</b> robert bow=
nes; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph<br clear=3D"none"><b>Objet :</b> Re:=
[Fot] Aluminium radiators</span></p></div></div><div id=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2=
623082613yqt81928" class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613yqt3268465474"><p class=
=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"> </p><p style=3D"margin-bottom=
:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">We get ours custom ma=
de without filler neck ... side hoses... etc from Howe... $ 350 +\-</p><div=
><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"none"><b=
r clear=3D"none"></p><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydp82916f8=
ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">On Jan 3, 2022, at 7:21 PM, Dave Hogye via Fot <=
;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" targ=
et=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=
=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2=
623082613MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BF I have been using a Griffin aluminum radiator=
for over 8 years now. Also, nicely made and good fit in my TR3. &nbs=
p;I ordered it with a shroud and puller fan. $700 total. Radiator onl=
y, $500. </p><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">They=
will build custom. I ordered mine without the problematic or crack prone f=
actory style extended filler neck. I fill it from an expansion tank. <=
/p><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">Dave H.</p></div><di=
v><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNo=
rmal"> </p><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">Sent f=
rom my iPhone</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">=
<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></p><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;=
" class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">On Jan 3, 2022, at 2:32 PM, P=
aul Ricco via Fot <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</p></d=
iv><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><p clas=
s=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BFFOT, </p><div><p class=3D"=
ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp829=
16f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">We have good experiences with Wizard as well. =
They have been reliable and the quality is very good. As some people =
feel that oil coolers are a consumable a item, our research indicates the s=
ame may be true for aluminum radiators in cars with cast iron blocks. There=
are things that can be done to help them live for years. However, they eve=
ntually need to be replaced due to the relationship of cast iron, aluminum,=
water and electrical current. </p><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv262=
3082613MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv262308261=
3MsoNormal">Also, I would say NEVER run any type of coolant stop leak produ=
ct with an aluminum radiator, especially with an iron block. You will plug =
the radiator very-very quickly. Not to mention the mess the stops lea=
ks product makes where your block and head ports are supposed to be able to=
move coolant. If you are swapping fluids, find the leak and fix it c=
orrectly. </p><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"> &nb=
sp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">I am on ye=
ar 5 with the last wizard that I purchased and it is still doing good. =
;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"> </p><=
/div><div><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082=
613MsoNormal">Paul Ricco</p><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNor=
mal">Sent from my iPhone</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613=
MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></p><p style=3D"margin-bot=
tom:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">On Jan 3, 2022, at=
4:01 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@aut=
ox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"=
><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BFI got a custo=
m radiator for the GT6 from Wizard a few months ago, and it is really beaut=
iful craftsmanship. I had them duplicate the dimensions of one I got =
twelve years ago from an outfit that went out of business. They copie=
d it perfectly. About a 6-8 week leadtime, maybe less if you are getting of=
f-the-shelf. </p><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">  =
;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">I will say t=
hat I=E2=80=99d had the prior one repaired a few times - they can be welded=
or sealed depending on where the damage is. The last time I did some=
serious damage to it, so it was truly irreparable.</p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=3D"yd=
p82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">Much, much lighter than stock, too.</p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"> </p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">Scott</p><div><div><p clas=
s=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class=3D"ydp8291=
6f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">On Jan 3, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Robert Lang via Fot=
<<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</p></div><p class=3D"yd=
p82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><div><div><p class=3D=
"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">There=
are a bunch of answers here, but a lot of TR6 crowd buys them from Wizard =
Radiator (<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.wizardcooling.com"; rel=3D"no=
follow" target=3D"_blank">www.wizardcooling.com</a>)</span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">There's a guy on the Triumphs list =
- Art Lipp - that sells the Wizards at a discount.</span></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">My one concern about aluminium radiat=
ors is that most of the time you can't fix them, so if you crack them, it's=
in the bin for 'em. Copper / brass is more forgiving. Ally does have the "=
wow" factor, though.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082=
613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;">c ya,</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">rml</span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> &=
nbsp;</span></p></div></div><div id=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613ydp530db442y=
ahoo_quoted_1346791563"><div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">On Monday, January 3,=
2022, 03:55:59 PM EST, robert bownes via Fot <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D=
"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.te=
am.net</a>> wrote: </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv26230=
82613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"> </sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"> </span></p></div><div><div id=
=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613ydp530db442yiv1783638672"><div><div><p class=3D=
"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#=
26282A;"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">Wise(ned) ones,</=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"> </span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;co=
lor:#26282A;">Where are folks getting (street) Al radiators nowadays? Just =
got the original TR6 rad back from the local radiator shop with an estimate=
of ~$360 to re-core, re-cap the lower end, and get rid of all the acorns t=
he squirrels have thoughtfully stashed in mine, so I figure it's probably c=
heaper to get a new Al one than press my luck with the original. </span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yd=
p82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#262=
82A;">I found 3 row versions for a bit under $200, but they don't seem to k=
now much about Triumphs (the pictures have the inlet/outlet pointing in the=
wrong directions) so I figured I'd check here...</span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
color:#26282A;"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623=
082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">Stay fast!=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">Bob</span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;colo=
r:#26282A;"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv26230826=
13MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"> </span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"> </span></p></div></div></div><p=
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