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That=E2=80=99s funny, I said the same thing to myself when I read his email!=
Chuck
> On Nov 24, 2019, at 3:31 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wr=
ote:
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> =EF=BB=BFMmmmmmm schnitzel=20
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> ~Steve
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>>> On Nov 24, 2019, at 3:29 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wro=
te:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> To add:
>> The reason for the deformation of the crank is cause by the ignition forc=
es.
>> The rod is hammering on one place of the bearing journal and like a Schni=
tzel it expands at that place from hammering on which bends the crank.
>> Simple as that J
>> =20
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>> =20
>> =20
>> Von: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot
>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. November 2019 22:03
>> An: Friends Of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Center main support
>> =20
>> Interesting, Chris:
>> My machine shop said that .002=E2=80=9D run out at the center main, with t=
he crank supported and spun on numbers 1 and 3 was a sign that it was develo=
ping high levels of internal stress (work hardening) and that it should be r=
etired. They aim for 0 run out under these conditions. Based on what you=E2=80=
=99ve said, I wonder if they are being overly cautious. As they do not grind=
cranks themselves ( only polishing and balancing), they had little to gain f=
rom that diagnosis.
>> Thanks for the input.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>=20
>> On Nov 24, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com> wrote:
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>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Wow! It's very nicely done. Certainly overkill.
>>=20
>> Regards, Tony
>>=20
>> On 11/23/2019 9:11 PM, Phil Gott wrote:
>> Here are some photos:
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> =20
>> <image1.jpeg>
>> =20
>> =20
>> <image2.jpeg>
>> =20
>> =20
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 23, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com> wrote:
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>> =EF=BB=BF
>> I agree, that sounds like overkill. Mine only requires the top of the ca=
p to be machined flat, no other block mods.
>>=20
>> Regards, Tony
>>=20
>> On 11/23/2019 5:42 AM, Phil Gott wrote:
>> Thanks again, Tony:
>> The one we have, built by the late Bill Throop, in addition to reinforci=
ng the cap itself, has the block machined internally to accept the sides of a=
strap, then the strap is cross bolted from the sides, through the block fr=
om outside. I=E2=80=99m wondering if this is a bit of overkill. Based on yo=
ur recommendation, it seems to be.
>> Maybe I can send some pictures later today, as we are pulling the engine t=
oday for other work.
>> Phil
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Nov 22, 2019, at 10:56 PM, Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> I run that setup, it was an uncle jack trick. Here's what he wrote about=
that (on my engine building tips page):
>>=20
>> "I also like to strap the center main to add rigidity to the bottom end. =
To do this, mill off the cast face of the main flush with the surfaces for t=
he head bolts. Get a front strap for a Chevy 400 block. You must enlarge the=
holes in the strap and you must use longer bolts. Some builders feel tha=
t this is totally unnecessary, but since starting to do this, I have never h=
ad a main bearing deteriorate faster than a rod bearing, which is something t=
hat happens more frequently than you would expect."
>>=20
>> Regards, Tony Drews
>> =20
>> On 11/22/2019 3:58 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote:
>> Has anyone seen the need to add extra support to the center main on the T=
R wet sleeve engine? We have an engine that has a steel bridge cross-bolted u=
nderneath and supporting the center main cap. Is this needed? Just took 3 fa=
ctory cranks to the machine shop and all three were bent about .002 in (.002=
run out at center main when supported on first and last mains.) Two of thes=
e were raced, the third was removed from a tired street engine. note: None o=
f these cranks came out of the engine with extra support at the center.
>> Curious as to the need for the extra support.
>> Thanks,
>> Phil Gott
>> 114 TR4A
>> =20
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">That=E2=80=99s funny, I said the same thing=
to myself when I read his email!<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Chuck</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Nov 24, 2019, at 3:31 PM, Steven B=
elfer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"conten=
t-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Mmmmmmm schnitzel <br><b=
r><div dir=3D"ltr">~Steve<div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite">On Nov 24, 2019, at 3:29 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><=
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oNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">To add:<o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso=
-fareast-language:EN-US">The reason for the deformation of the crank is caus=
e by the ignition forces.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The rod is hammering on o=
ne place of the bearing journal and like a Schnitzel it expands at that plac=
e from hammering on which bends the crank.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Simple a=
s that </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:Wingdings;mso-fareas=
t-language:EN-US">J</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers<o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso=
-fareast-language:EN-US">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;bor=
der-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><b>Von:</b> Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>Im Auftrag von </b>P=
hil Gott via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 24. November 2019 22:03<br><b>=
An:</b> Friends Of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re:=
[Fot] Center main support<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Interesting, Chris:<o:p></o:p></=
p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">My machine shop said that .002=E2=80=9D run ou=
t at the center main, with the crank supported and spun on numbers 1 and 3 w=
as a sign that it was developing high levels of internal stress (work harden=
ing) and that it should be retired. They aim for 0 run out under these condi=
tions. Based on what you=E2=80=99ve said, I wonder if they are being overly c=
autious. As they do not grind cranks themselves ( only polishing and balanci=
ng), they had little to gain from that diagnosis.<br>Thanks for the input.<o=
:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D=
"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margi=
n-bottom:12.0pt">On Nov 24, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Tony Drews <<a href=3D"mail=
to:tony@tonydrews.com">tony@tonydrews.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blo=
ckquote></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BF <o:p></o:p></p><p>Wow! It's very ni=
cely done. Certainly overkill.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Regards, Tony<o:p></o:=
p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 11/23/2019 9:11 PM, Phil Gott wrote:<o:=
p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here are some photos: <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><image0.jpeg><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><image1.jpeg><o:=
p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><image2.jpeg=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin=
-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Nov 2=
3, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Tony Drews <a href=3D"mailto:tony@tonydrews.com";><t=
ony@tonydrews.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquot=
e style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>=EF=BB=BF <o:p></o:p></p><p>I agree, that sounds like overkill. Mine o=
nly requires the top of the cap to be machined flat, no other block mods.<o:=
p></o:p></p><p>Regards, Tony<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 11=
/23/2019 5:42 AM, Phil Gott wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"=
margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks again, T=
ony: <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The one we have, built by th=
e late Bill Throop, in addition to reinforcing the cap itself, has the=
block machined internally to accept the sides of a strap, then the strap &n=
bsp;is cross bolted from the sides, through the block from outside. I=E2=
=80=99m wondering if this is a bit of overkill. Based on your recommendation=
, it seems to be.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Maybe I ca=
n send some pictures later today, as we are pulling the engine today for oth=
er work.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bot=
tom:12.0pt">Phil<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my iPho=
ne<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><b=
lockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Nov 22, 2019, at 10:56 PM, Tony Drews <=
a href=3D"mailto:tony@tonydrews.com";><tony@tonydrews.com></a> wrote:<o=
:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin=
-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BF <o:p></o:p></p><p>I run=
that setup, it was an uncle jack trick. Here's what he wrote about th=
at (on my engine building tips page):<o:p></o:p></p><p><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black;background:=
white">"I also like to strap the center main to add rigidity to the bottom e=
nd. To do this, mill off the cast face of the main flush with the surf=
aces for the head bolts. Get a front strap for a Chevy 400 block. You must e=
nlarge the holes in the strap and you must use longer bolts. Som=
e builders feel that this is totally unnecessary, but since starting t=
o do this, I have never had a main bearing deteriorate faster than a rod bea=
ring, which is something that happens more frequently than you would expect.=
"</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards, Tony Drews<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 11/22/2019 3:58 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote:<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><pr=
e>Has anyone seen the need to add extra support to the center main on the TR=
wet sleeve engine? We have an engine that has a steel bridge cross-bolted u=
nderneath and supporting the center main cap. Is this needed? Just took 3 fa=
ctory cranks to the machine shop and all three were bent about .002 in (.002=
run out at center main when supported on first and last mains.) Two of thes=
e were raced, the third was removed from a tired street engine. note: None o=
f these cranks came out of the engine with extra support at the center.<o:p>=
</o:p></pre><pre>Curious as to the need for the extra support.<o:p></o:p></p=
re><pre>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Phil Gott<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>114 TR4A=
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></=
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