This right here would suggest a bit of a problem...
Glen
When installing the cam. Information on there website stated peak cam lift was
.295" (it is only .220") resulting in a lift at the valve being .120" less than
stated.
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From: Duncan Charlton via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
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Sent: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 12:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Re TR4 camshafts
Hi Patrick,
You didn?t say whether you determined how many degrees of advance/retard you?re
putting in by setting max lift at 110? ATDC. Confirming that figure ought to
give you some confidence that what they?re telling you is in the ballpark. 2
to 4 degrees advance seems appropriate for a street engine.
Since you've been in the business for a while (I?ve heard your name in Morgan
circles for many years) I assume you already have the tools and knowledge to do
this, so I won?t go into a long-winded description of the process, but for
those reading this who haven?t done this before: put a degree wheel on the
crank, zero it at true TDC and measure lift at the cam or at the valve using a
dial indicator, starting a few degrees before max lift and ending a few degrees
after max lift to be sure you?ve found mean maximum lift. Do this for both
intake and exhaust and calculate the midpoint between those two mean maximum
lift points. That gives you the cam's ?zero? point. Decide whether to advance
or retard a few degrees from zero. Advancing moves torque lower down on the
rpm scale (but also decreases intake valve to piston clearance). I find I have
to plot this on paper so I can make sense of it and to make sure I don?t move
the the wrong direction in altering the valve timing.
Newman overstated lift by 34%. Wow.
Duncan
On Oct 23, 2017, at 2:48 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:
?Follow the instructions for setting the cam and you will be fine. An
adjustable cam sprocket will make the job easier.
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:54 AM, riverside--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:
Yikes! I have always had great success with Dema's cams.
I hope his shop survived the fires.
art de armond
-----Original Message----- From: patrickmannion1--- via Fot
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:11 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Re TR4 camshafts
Hello all,
I have always nearly always built Triumph TR4 engines with cams from Dema Elgin
Superlobes in Santa Rosa. Occasionally I had installed other cams supplied by
customers that had a valid timing card supplied. I decided with the English
pound being low vs the Dollar I would try the PH1 Cam from Newman Cams in
England. I had heard good things about their PH1 cam as being a great street
cam.
When installing the cam. Information on there website stated peak cam lift was
.295" (it is only .220") resulting in a lift at the valve being .120" less than
stated. Starting off with" incorrect lift figure all valve event figures on the
website are wrong. After several emails I got a two sentence email saying ,set
Intake for max lift at 110 degrees ATDC and the cam will work,
After doing lots of engine modifications I would like a more scientific answer
than the cam will work. Has anyone used this cam or a Newman cam before, or
found that the information supplied by Newman was incorrect. I hate to eat the
cost of the camshafts I bought or incur the cost of sending them back to
England, but I would have no confidence in using a camshaft without having a
correct timing card for the camshaft. -
thanks
Pat Mannion
Santa Cruz California
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