carsten is having touble with his e-mail I am forwarding his respomse to this
topic.
t.r.
Hello Tom,
I was trying to make in in the list but I get also the mail without text.
Could you please this text send in our list?
I will try to find what is with my emails.
Thanks again
Carsten
carco@T-Online.de schrieb:
Don, the comparison with the axe is really good.
Fortunately in England will be much parts of historical items
remanufactored. Good for our cars ect.
Unfortunately much of these remanufactored parts will be later as
original or genuine when these were fitted in historical cars or
bikes.
In England we can see much of these.
The car which ran of the rim at the Shell Rally was 5VC my car.
Kas Kastner had fitted the American Racing magnesium wheels before
the rally. It was a milesstone for all rallies afterwards.
Carsten Conrads
Since I have get one of the ex powder blue TR4 works rally cars I
was searching on informations about the cars. It is very difficult
from Germany because my english is not so good and my finance
background also.
The car which was "rebuilt" for ten years ago in Mexico/New York
was in fact a serial LHD TR4 rebuilt with a handful remains of
one of the works cars 3VC or CAG 408. This car was sold to an
english TR supplier where it got the 3VC identification.
The car seems to be had some original parts of the ex 3VC but the
commission number plate is an reprint!
4VC was always in England. 1969 sold to the actually owner who
had it driven some years every day. Engine, gearbox, front axle,
rear axle and some outer panels were changed by the time.
In the early nineties the car were restored by the same english
supplier who later bought "3VC".
The car had got a "new chassis", the most new outer panels and the
most of the new tube. In Germany we says it is an complete replica
with some original parts of the remains of the genuine works car.
Unfortunately also here is an reprint commission number plate
fitted!
5VC / CAG 410 the car which was driven at the Shell 4000 Rally
by the swiss Jean-Jacques Thuner and the english Roy Fidler
comes 1994 to Germany and I bought it 1998 as "modified" TR4.
Approx. 60-65% of the parts were still original. Some original
parts of this car I have get in the follow years after a long
research.
The car has still the original engine and rearaxle with the
Salesbury LSD and an 4.33 ratio. Also some original alloy panels
were still fitted. The original hood of this car I have get for a
time ago by an finest member of our list.
The car has still the original commission number plate!
Now the car is ready restored and the first 600 miles were
driven.
About 6VC/CAG 409 are all informations unknown. This car were
driven at the Shell 4000 Rally by G.Jennings and Ed Homsey. Ed
told me that the car were crashed by an bridge on the rally. The
complete front of the chassis were strong damaged and the car
runs not more in the right line.
1994/95 in England comes a car with the identification of 6VC by
the same supplier who had "restored" 4VC and bought 1996 "3VC".
The car have had none of the alloy panels for some years ago. Also
not the long boot hinges of the works cars. Now it has.
Also here the commission plate is an reprint!
Perhaps some of the members of the list have more informations.
Carsten Conrads
elliottd wrote:
> The 1964 Shell 4000 TR4 from NY was sent to Germany and restored.
>
> There was a big story a year or so ago about how authentic this car really
> is with Graham Robson (in Triumph World) trying to be the referee. Neil
> Revington ( who restored two Shell 4000 TR4s - one for Ian Cornish and one
> for himself) claims that about 15% of the car is made from the Shell TR4
> from NY.
>
> Do you know who prepared these cars? They sported Oregon plates while in
> the North America while in England they had British plates VC3, VC4, VC5 and
> VC6. There were 4 cars in the Team, but three ran in the Shell 4000.
>
> Did you know that in a museum in England, there is an original axe that is
> reputed to have belonged to a king about 1000 years ago. Amazing when you
> learn afterwards that this original axe has had the handle replaced 5 times.
> And the head was replaced 4 times - or something like that. Is it still
> original ?
>
> BTW, I did the 1964 Shell Rally in a Reneault (and finished) and got to see
> those TR4s. This was the first time that anyone used alloy wheels (I guess
> thay may have been Mini-lites) and everyone said they were too fragile and
> they'd all break before the end of the first night out of Vancouver on the
> way to Montreal. It was revolutionary at the time. In fact one had a flat
> in a special stage in Saskatchewan (I believe) and ran the rest of the stage
> on the alloy rim. Later they put a new tyre in that same rim and it was
> still round, held air, etc.
>
> Don Elliott, 1958 TR3A, Montreal
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russ Moore" <rem9@sunlink.net>
> To: <fot@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:25 PM
> Subject: Information sought on Shell TR-4
>
> > I recall about 10 years ago there was what seemed to be a Shell TR-4 being
> > redone in a body/resto shop in Syracuse NY. It had alloy panels and the
> > fancy venting that gave it the identifying character. Unsure of the VIN or
> > of the former owner..............
> >
> > Does anyone know what became of this car? Know of it? I assune it was in
> the
> > northeast at least back then. Hopefully it didn't depart our shores. Any
> > leads or information would be appreciated.
> >
> > Russ Moore
> > Spitfire #49
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