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Re: [Roadsters] Valves leaking while cc'ing

To: drlsmith@dccnet.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Valves leaking while cc'ing
From: Keith0alan@aol.com
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:59:05 EDT
You are more likely to have a shop sell you something you don't need rather  
than not sell you something you do. I have not personally seen a brass seat 
that  has had a problem from unleaded gas. On a race engine you might but I 
don't  think it is a big problem on a street car. Here is where you might have 
a  
problem. Most of the heat is shed from a valve through the valve seat. If your 
 clearances are tight the valve can overheat. This could cause seat damage. 
If  you check your valve clearances every once and a while and notice that one  
always seem to be tight then you could have a problem. If someone has a head  
with a receded valve seat please post a picture. If the brass seats need  
replaced go with the hard seats. Otherwise I would leave them alone. 
 
keith williams
 
In a message dated 9/14/2008 10:30:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
drlsmith@dccnet.com writes:

Thanks  for the note Steve, and others as well.

I provided the machine shop  with the list of spring specs/heights and stock 
valve dimensions with the  work order.
Seats? This is the SECOND shop that has told me that the stock  seats in the 
aluminum head were in good shape, would be fine with the  unleaded fuel, and 
there was enough material there to modify for my  oversize 1.70" intake 
valves, and 1.35" exhaust valves.....
I had  suggested that they should change the exhaust seat since the new valve 
was  almost 2.3mm larger, but they were adamant that it was fine and they  
didn't need to be changed.????
Is this a case of "we just don't want  the work"???

Here's hoping this discussion saves someone else some  time/money.......

Daryl

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  "Steve Ehlers" <stevenehlers@charter.net>

> Hi,
> This  is typical of  poor quality  machine work .Even with a slight  
> interference angle made on seats and valves ,there should be  NO
> leakage . If the head wasn't assembled you can seal the valves with  a thin 
> grease coating ,as we do when building a combustion chamber  matched high 
> Performance head set up .If the valves had been lapped  in during the valve 
> work a problem would have been seen in contact or  possible run out on the 
> seat .Quality machine work can't be assumed  by the end user if  you don't 
> know the details of a quality job  .
>
> For example , did you have new steel intake seats installed  ,and at the 
> right valve height ? Can the Machine shop even provide  you with the 
> correct stem height dimension . I doubt it !
>  Good Luck ,
> Steve Ehlers
>  www.risingsunperformance.com







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