Very funny! I miss Soebie!!
--Pat K
----------
>From: "Peter Mottaz" <mph_16@hotmail.com>
>To: lollipop487@attbi.com
>Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: The hardest autox skill?
>Date: Wed, Dec 11, 2002, 9:03 AM
>
> I'll never forget the time Soebie Soekamto co drove Darren Madams' kart. He
> took his first run, came in and duct taped his glasses to his face because
> they were bouncing around so much. For those that know Soebi, you can
> imagine his mannerisms when he gets excited and was explaining to us his run
> and how his glasses where flying all over and he couldn't see and almost
> spun and...and...and. Then seeing his glasses taped to his face...I almost
> fell to the ground I was laughing so hard.
>
> Pete
>
>>
>>Okay, then. :) The only place I have a real problem is Candlestick (and
>>Topeka's north course) where my eyeballs bounce out of their sockets,
>>making
>>it hard to focus on ANY cone. :) I bet it's worse in a kart.
>>--Pat K
>>
>>----------
>> >From: "Peter Mottaz" <mph_16@hotmail.com>
>> >To: lollipop487@attbi.com
>> >Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
>> >Subject: Re: The hardest autox skill?
>> >Date: Tue, Dec 10, 2002, 8:56 PM
>> >
>>
>> > I do believe that your eye level and a somewhat tall driver in a kart's
>>eye
>> > level, are not that different!
>> >
>> > Pete
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "Pat Kelly" <lollipop487@attbi.com>
>> >>To: Peter Mottaz <mph_16@hotmail.com>, darren@madams.com
>> >>CC: ba-autox@autox.team.net
>> >>Subject: Re: The hardest autox skill?
>> >>Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:35:29 -0800
>> >>
>> >>Thanks...I was guessing, and guessed wrong. :) Although we've been
>>accused
>> >>of driving a large kart. :)
>> >>--Pat K
>> >>
>> >>----------
>> >> >From: "Peter Mottaz" <mph_16@hotmail.com>
>> >> >To: lollipop487@attbi.com, darren@madams.com
>> >> >Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
>> >> >Subject: Re: The hardest autox skill?
>> >> >Date: Tue, Dec 10, 2002, 8:29 PM
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> > Actually Pat, its just the opposite. You have to know the course so
>>well
>> >>so
>> >> > you don't have to guess where the course goes next or hope that
>>looking
>> >> > ahead will be enough. Things happen so fast and with the line of
>>vision
>> >> > being limited in a shifter kart, that if you are relying on "just"
>> >>looking
>> >> > ahead, you'll be very behind,or lost. ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> > You are correct about one thing though, the perspective is very
>> >>different
>> >> > from the seat. Thus for critical or unclear sections that are a sea
>>of
>> >> > cones, its best to sit down on one's derrihre and memorize the view
>>from
>> >>a
>> >> > more correct viewpoint.
>> >> >
>> >> > Pete
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>From: "Pat Kelly" <lollipop487@attbi.com>
>> >> >>To: Darren Madams <darren@madams.com>, Joe Ciarcia
>> >><veloimpreza@yahoo.com>
>> >> >>CC: ba-autox@autox.team.net
>> >> >>Subject: Re: The hardest autox skill?
>> >> >>Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:17:36 -0800
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Walking the course if you're driving a kart might even be a waste of
>> >>time
>> >> >>cept to let you know approximately where the course goes. The point
>>of
>> >>view
>> >> >>at walking height is a totally different perspective than sitting in
>>a
>> >> >>kart.
>> >> >>What was clear at walking height just might disappear from the kart
>> >>seat.
>> >> >>:)
>> >> >>--Pat K
>> >> >>
>> >> >>----------
>> >> >> >From: "Darren Madams" <darren@madams.com>
>> >> >> >To: Joe Ciarcia <veloimpreza@yahoo.com>
>> >> >> >Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
>> >> >> >Subject: Re: The hardest autox skill?
>> >> >> >Date: Tue, Dec 10, 2002, 5:19 PM
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > An excellent question. I'll answer it in two (possibly more)
>>ways.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The "hardest" autox skill to learn is without a doubt left foot
>> >>braking.
>> >> >> > It just requires hours of practice, and development of muscles and
>> >> >> > dexterity that you have no use for outside of racing (and even
>>then
>> >>it's
>> >> >> > debatable how useful it is). Rob Luis left foot broke my Integra
>>at
>> >>my
>> >> >> > first autocross school... I've been a believer ever since. Learn
>> >> >>driving
>> >> >> > an automatic on the street, then progress to a three pedal
>>machine,
>> >>then
>> >> >> > try it autocrossing. I'm still not great at it, but damn did it
>>work
>> >> >>well
>> >> >> > at the first SFR rallycross!!!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The skill that takes the longest time to perfect, yet gives the
>>most
>> >> >> > reward? Maximazing (or exceeding in a manner that improves time)
>>the
>> >> >> > traction of the car in all directions. Read that again. This
>>mainly
>> >> >> > applies in my case to getting the most forward direction out of
>>the
>> >> >> > tires... in my understeering Integra that meant not overpowering
>>the
>> >> >>front
>> >> >> > wheels when they were trying to turn as well (power-on
>>understeer),
>> >>and
>> >> >>on
>> >> >> > my kart it means not overpowering the rear tires when coming out
>>of a
>> >> >>slow
>> >> >> > tight corner. However, it also means getting the most out of the
>> >> >>lateral
>> >> >> > capabilities in long sweepers... that's taking the right line, and
>> >>being
>> >> >> > smooth. It also means getting the most out of the traction under
>> >> >>braking.
>> >> >> > As Kevin talks about, weight transfer is a key ingredient to
>>consider
>> >> >>here
>> >> >> > as well. ABS or not, there is a limit your tires can do
>>(independent
>> >>of
>> >> >> > available braking force) that you need to get as close to as
>> >>possible.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > As for your braking problems, at the school two years ago they did
>>a
>> >> >> > braking square exercise... that's the best way to learn. Braking
>>in
>> >>a
>> >> >> > straight line teaches you nothing about loading the outside front
>> >>tire
>> >> >>(or
>> >> >> > unloading the inside rear). It also teaches you nothing about
>>trail
>> >> >>braking.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I'll put in the obligatory plug for Geez here. It will quickly
>>give
>> >>you
>> >> >> > numbers about just how hard you are braking. You can do a
>>baseline
>> >> >> > straight stop to find your maximum possible braking g's, then try
>>to
>> >> >> > approach that in a competition environment.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --Darren
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > p.s. Katie's comment about looking ahead is also a good one! I
>>was
>> >>in a
>> >> >> > rut big time and not walking the course for two events drastically
>> >> >>improved
>> >> >> > my driving.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Joe Ciarcia <veloimpreza@yahoo.com> wrote ..
>> >> >> >> I'm sure this thread title will attract some colorful
>> >> >> >> responses from this oh so serious crowd <hehe>.
>> >> >> >> Seriously though, what do you think is the hardest
>> >> >> >> skill to master in autox?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> After reading a post on the i-club board I realized
>> >> >> >> that the thing I have the most difficulty with is
>> >> >> >> braking. When I think about it, just about every
>> >> >> >> mistake that I've been making is related to braking. I
>> >> >> >> think I'm choosing okay lines, at least I'm not making
>> >> >> >> any HUGE mistakes about the line I'd ***LIKE*** to
>> >> >> >> take. Proper braking seems to be an elusive skill for
>> >> >> >> me though.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> How does one practice braking? Seems like a silly
>> >> >> >> question but seriously, how do I get better at it? I
>> >> >> >> seem to be in a rut. It would seem as if most people
>> >> >> >> brake to late, or brake to early however I don't seem
>> >> >> >> to discriminate between the two (maybe I lean a little
>> >> >> >> be towards braking too early which probably makes some
>> >> >> >> sense for my experience level). This past event I
>> >> >> >> experienced "HOLY CRAP, I didn't know my car could
>> >> >> >> stop that fast" and... "ummm... yeah, I'm off course
>> >> >> >> because I really wanted to do a donut, yeah that's
>> >> >> >> it".
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Cheers Joe
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> =====
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