I don't see a major issue with not listing times of folks running WRG.
However I dont think it will stop the practice. If a driver runs
out-of-class he/she already decided to run that event for fun or to play
with a setup.
Please dont get me wrong, I understand issues with unbalanced and
unpredictable run groups, but until now it was not such a big deal. I
think the last weekend was a special case due to the football game -
some folks wanted to get home to see it and some wanted to avoid
traffic.
Boris. (run my regular class last Sunday :-))
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
[mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pat Kelly
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:10 AM
To: Boris Elpiner; 'john f. kelly jr.'; 'bay area team.net'
Subject: Re: WRG (was Round 4 results)
Hi Boris,
After I read his message, I told him that many drivers have such a
choice as
you do...personally, we're restricted to either a Prepared class, or D
Modified. And I agree with you.
But what about eliminating the ability of folks running in the WRG? At
least
require that they select a real class and run in the correct group? That
would maybe eliminate the F Stock fiasco (or C Stock, for that matter)
that
happened Sunday. If they don't run in the correct group, they are
automatically disqualified (i.e., no times listed, placed at the end of
the
class). Not draconian in the scheme of things, but it might help keep
the
work/run groups more even, and the events run more smoothly, and be more
fun
to chair.
--Pat K
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>From: "Boris Elpiner" <boris@elpiner.net>
>To: "'John F. Kelly Jr.'" <76067.1750@compuserve.com>, "'bay area
team.net'"
<ba-autox@autox.team.net>, "'Pat Kelly'" <lollipop487@attbi.com>
>Subject: RE: WRG (was Round 4 results)
>Date: Wed, Nov 6, 2002, 10:10 AM
>
> John,
>
> I don't think you can effectively control this situation. There are
many
> classes where a car can be legally entered. For example I can run my
BS
> car in ASP, SM2, OSP, EM or ST (street tires). I'm guilty of running
> outside of my regular class for the first 3 Slush events. But that was
> the only way for me to participate in those events.
>
> Maybe we should reevaluate going back to 4/2 run group schedule for
the
> Slush to resolve workers situation. Fun runs would be an added benefit
> for running in the afternoon.
>
> Boris.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John F. Kelly Jr.
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:56 AM
> To: bay area team.net; Pat Kelly
> Subject: Round 4 results
>
> -------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------
>
> Message text written by "Pat Kelly"
>
> " There were 202 separate entries, too many Wrong Run Groups (all
of
> F
> Stock, for instance)."
>
> -------------------- End Original Message --------------------
>
> Wrong Run Groups. This situation is screwing up our event operations.
> For
> many, many events, we have seen the first run group over run with
> entries
> and then the afternoon groups have a worker shortage.
> This is especially intriguing during the last two events, for
> example. The last run group at our previous event was pretty small and
> this
> group ran first this past Sunday and was quite full. The purpose of
run
> groups is to even out things so every group has a similar number of
> entrants throughout the day. It isn't working.
> Now most event chairs are more than willing to take care of
some
> individual's time situation. But if this keeps up we may have to not
> allow
> you to run if your class isn't the one listed for the group on the
grid.
> Everybody's cooperation is needed to make our events an
ongoing
> pleasure.
>
> --John Kelly
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