Not to mention 4th gen F-bodies, which typically get the "crank" rating
at the wheels (I haven't kept up, but when I got my 99 it was rated at
305 crank and turned 303 at the wheels, which would suggest roughly 355
at the crank; later years increased by 5rwhp/year or so).
It's not unusual, probably for two reasons: 1) they want to guarantee
that even the most off-spec car they produce generates the power they
advertise so nobody can complain, and 2) marketing often enters into it
(the f-body thing is largely considered to be because they didn't want
to tell everyone that you could get within 5hp of a vette for half the
price [and 400lbs more weight]).
Cheers
-b
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Creasy [mailto:james@thevenom.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 10:14 PM
> To: ba-autox@autox.team.net; Jake Hodges
> Subject: Re: New MINI Cooper and Cooper S.
>
>
> GRM dyno tested a mini and a mini S and got hp at the wheels
> that was pretty close to the published crank figures. its
> not a lightweight car so clearly theres been a little monkey
> business with the figures. two other cars i know had similar
> discrepencies: the 1st gen probe GT (rated 145, actual 190),
> and the supra TT (rated 326, actual 360+).
>
> -james
> OSP - Old Serpent's Pasttime
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jake Hodges" <jake@codeworm.com>
> To: <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:52 PM
> Subject: RE: New MINI Cooper and Cooper S.
>
>
> > I'm curious about your proposal, Rich. Can you share
> details? Or did
> > you already share details when I had my head under a rock?
> >
> > And, Peter, flattery will get you nowhere. When you look at other
> evidence
> > regarding both the del Sol and the Mini, it points strongly
> to the car
> > and not to me. I just barely managed to best Alan in my own car at
> > Round 17, although I got him by a healthy margin in his
> ailing Civic a
> > few times after I got race tires. I suspect the final
> evidence would
> > be Stan's
> video
> > of my fastest run which shows me ABSing out of control and way off
> > line in the GGF gravel. Even I could have done much better.
> >
> > Frankly, I love competing with Stan no matter what he brings. He
> tolerates
> > my swollen head and bad Ali impressions, and Alan verified
> that Stan
> > was
> in
> > the coolest movie ever. Alan, on the other hand, has admitted
> > considering hitting me on the swollen head with his torque
> wrench on
> > several occasions. Dan needs to get race tires.
> >
> > Finally, I wasn't clear on one thing... The curb weight of Dan's
> > Prelude is 2600 lbs, which his 105hp just makes FEEL like 3700 lbs.
> >
> > It's interesting that those specs are so close to what Mini
> claims for
> > their car. Why is it so much better? A Mini fanatic
> coworker made a
> > wild claim substantiated only by hearsay that their published power
> > specs were at the wheel. It sure FELT more powerful than
> my car when
> > I was flailing through the slalom.
> >
> > Jake
> >
> > By the way, did anyone else see that beautiful launch out of
> > Vandenberg tonight? It sure looked like the interceptor was
> > successful.
> >
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~kd6nrp/vafbsked.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > At 12:10 PM 10/14/2002 -0700, Thana, Peter {High~Palo Alto} wrote:
> > > >Anyway, for regional-only folks, basing the classes on
> nationals is
> > > >of limited meaning.
> >
> > >...
> >
> > >The current system isn't perfect, but at least it tries to base the
> handicap
> > >on the car. The very top of each class at most national
> level events
> > >is fought for by drivers who can consistently get closer to the
> > >potential of the car under the rules as they are written
> than you or
> > >I could. ...
> > >
> > >Peter
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