The idea has Meritt and there was a lot of discussion about that but even I
can see that replacement with realistic units as being ok.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Merritt" <CMerritt@luminous.com>
To: <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: Stock Shock Chalk Talk
> You know, this may seem like a crazy idea, but why not just limit Stock
> class to stock shocks? Hmmm...the simplicity of it is downright scary...
>
> -Carl
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ian Green [mailto:iagreen@ucdavis.edu]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:07 AM
> > To: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: Stock Shock Chalk Talk
> >
> >
> > I really don't agree with the shock issues going around in
> > stock lately.
> > But I've never ran stock and don't plan on it so I guess its
> > not really my
> > buisness. But if you start limiting shocks to major companies
> > aren't you
> > just helping to shut down the newer, smaller companies?
> > Especially if you
> > start trying to spread those rules beyond stock. We aren't
> > the only form
> > of motorsports but I'm sure that we do make up a signifigant
> > portion of
> > the market that these companies build for. If you limited
> > specialty shocks
> > to prepared/modified you'd probably hurt alot of the upcoming
> > technology
> > and probably lose alot of potential new autocrossers. Running in STS
> > (supposedly the next step from stock) we have alot of
> > discussions about
> > newcomers already exceeding the rules with their daily
> > drivers. Not too
> > many people own prep/mod cars but theres a pretty good number who own
> > street driven cars in various classes with custom built shocks.
> >
> > Ian
> > STS 99
> > shocks $ = 1/2 current blue book $
> >
> > > Hi Anthony
> > >
> > > Your version is definitely much easier to read and
> > understand. The price
> > > limit thing is questionable though. I hope that your kind
> > of thinking
> > could
> > > be applied to the Street Prepared classes too. How can I
> > compete with
> > cars
> > > that have $1500 a corner shocks and struts and have 350rwhp
> > as well as
> > have
> > > 315 or 335 tires sticking out of the wheel wells. Those
> > type of race
> > parts
> > > should be left in the Prepared and Modified classes really.
> > People might
> > > complain that it really only makes a small difference in
> > track time. Add
> > > all those small changes up and the rich guys have much
> > faster cars. My
> > two
> > > cents.
> > >
> > > Kirk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Anthony Tabacco
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:30 AM
> > > To: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Stock Shock Chalk Talk
> > >
> > >
> > > The SEB is all over the map on trying to write a revised
> > rule for stock
> > > shocks. You probably read the distilled draft of the rule
> > in Fast-track
> > last
> > > issue. While I appreciate the effort, after mighty debate,
> > it has brought
> > > forth a rule that says that shocks for stock class cars cannot have
> > remote
> > > reservoirs. This isn't even close to good enough. The debate for all
> > > practical purposes is dominated and limited to those very few
> > stakeholders
> > > with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, which
> > means more
> > money
> > > than everyone else would even consider spending, or that
> > they make their
> > > living at servicing them. It is not healthy for the sport,
> > but I think
> > they
> > > were surprised to hear from an "ordinary" member. The response was
> > > interesting. Someone on the SEB asked me (I think
> > sincerely) for specific
> > > language. I am proceeding on the premise that a Koni 2800
> > or a Penske on
> > a
> > > Stock car is as stupid as R Compounds and that a workable
> > shock rule can
> > be
> > > centered around restrictions on cost. If you don't agree
> > with that, you
> > need
> > > to write your own letter because thats where I'm coming
> > from, and here is
> > > what I have:
> > >
> > > "It is the intent of this rule that Stock Class serve as
> > the entry class
> > to
> > > the sport and that cost containment is of primary
> > importance to that
> > goal.
> > > Shock absorbers costs are best controlled by limiting
> > shocks to units
> > > economical enough that outright replacement of a unit is
> > the mandatory
> > > alternative in lieu of rebuilding.
> > >
> > > 1) Shocks shall be limited to one external adjustment,
> > except when OEM.
> > > 2) Shocks are limited to "off the shelf" units available for general
> > > distribution street use to the public typically including, but not
> > limited
> > > to: OEM, Koni single adjustable, Bilstein, Tokiko, KYB, or
> > available "house
> > > brands", or other such units that meet the criteria and
> > intent of the
> > rule.
> > > 3) The use of Koni 2800, Olin, Penske, Fox, DMS, or other such units
> > > specifically manufactured for the specialty racing market are
> > specifically
> > > disallowed.
> > > 4) Shocks shall be installed "as manufactured" and shall
> > not be purchased
> > > from a third party in a modified condition or opened up for
> > any reason
> > by an
> > > entrant or a third party. Revalving, machining, or modifying a shock
> > > absorber for any reason is specifically disallowed. Except
> > as supplied as
> > > OEM, the use of remote reservoirs, alloy bodies, adjustable
> > perches, or
> > > welded off coil-overs is prohibited.
> > > 5) Cost of each unit is limited to $250 per unit or 125% of OEM,
> > whichever
> > > is greater."
> > >
> > > So, how close did I came? This gets added to the usual
> > other stuff there.
> > > Also, if anyone can tell me if the cost item #5 does not
> > work for them
> > (like
> > > what does a 996 shock cost anyway?) or you can add to the list of
> > > allowed/dis-allowed, I would appreciate it. The other smoke
> > and mirror
> > thing
> > > you hear a lot of is enforceability (as though anyone who
> > can get past a
> > > dipstick couldn't find tons of legal horsepower and tons more of
> > > undetectable horsepower) so they are worried that the guy
> > in the next
> > pit is
> > > going to cheat. its just a screen to not change a situation
> > that has
> > evolved
> > > to the ridiculous.
> > >
> > > Be good,
> > > Tony
> > >
> >
> > Ian Green
> > 2003 Team Coleader
> > UC Davis Formula SAE
> > http://mae.ucdavis.edu/~fsae
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