i bet thats the cause of the power oversteer you mention. once my tires go,
even a little gas sends me sideways.
-james c
OSP - Only Stupid People
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael R. Clements" <mrclem@telocity.com>
I must have been fooled by the stiff sidewalls. Even though the rubber
> was heat cycled to death, the stiff sidewalls continue to make the tires
> respond quickly even though they don't grip as well as they once did.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james creasy [mailto:Black94PGT@pacbell.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 16:07
> > To: Michael R. Clements; jake@codeworm.com; ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: Benefits of various tire sizes on my del Slo..
> >
> >
> > they eventually lose it too. but it takes a lot longer- the
> > rubber is formulated to have more consistent life over a
> > longer time. its harder to start with, and presumably it
> > hardens less (much less) with each heat cycle.
> >
> > -james c
> > OSP - Omigod, Snake Power!
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael R. Clements" <mrclem@telocity.com>
> > To: "'james creasy'" <Black94PGT@pacbell.net>;
> > <jake@codeworm.com>; <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 4:02 PM
> > Subject: RE: Benefits of various tire sizes on my del Slo..
> >
> >
> > > That could explain why I'm not getting any traction. . .
> > >
> > > My sucky G-Forces are over a year old. My light car with big tires
> > > heat cycles them to death before the rubber scrapes off.
> > >
> > > I'm glad I asked!
> > >
> > > But if that's true, then how do the street tires maintain their
> > > sticktion year after year, hundreds of heat cycles? Or do they also
> > > lose it?
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: james creasy [mailto:Black94PGT@pacbell.net]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 15:52
> > > > To: Michael R. Clements; jake@codeworm.com;
> > ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > Subject: Re: Benefits of various tire sizes on my del Slo..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It's true that R tires age rapidly. However, don't you
> > > > think that old,
> > > > > hard, crappy R tires usually still outperform good,
> > fresh street
> > > > > tires?
> > > >
> > > > not in my case. once my tires hit about 100 runs, i have
> > MUCH less
> > > > traction than with my 400 treadwear other tires.
> > > >
> > > > borden recorded 1.47 G's on good hooisers, 1.2 G's on RE71 street
> > > > tires and 1.1 G's on hooisers with 60+ runs on them.
> > > >
> > > > then again, ive got a light car with big tires, so they
> > heat cycle
> > > > to hardness before the rubber wears out.
> > > >
> > > > YMMV,
> > > >
> > > > -james c
> > > > OSP - Only Sideways Piloting
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Michael R. Clements" <mrclem@telocity.com>
> > > > To: "'james creasy'" <Black94PGT@pacbell.net>;
> > <jake@codeworm.com>;
> > > > <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:31 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Benefits of various tire sizes on my del Slo..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It's true that R tires age rapidly. However, don't you
> > > > think that old,
> > > > > hard, crappy R tires usually still outperform good,
> > fresh street
> > > > > tires? I think they do, but that is just based on the _feel_ of
> > > > > the tires. Maybe they feel faster because of the stiff
> > > > sidewalls and quick
> > > > > response, even if the overall traction is not as good?
> > What do you
> > > > > think?
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > > > [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> > james creasy
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:04
> > > > > > To: jake@codeworm.com; ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Benefits of various tire sizes on my del Slo..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > r-compound tires dont age well. age will harden them (6
> > > > months or
> > > > > > more) and they have a limited number of heat cycles of
> > > > > > stickiness even if there is rubber left. so used
> > ones should be
> > > > pretty cheap-
> > > > > > they give their best performance when they are young
> > and fresh
> > > > > > (unlike race drivers :))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wider tires are also heavier. but usually most will
> > chose the
> > > > > > widest that will fit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i am finally going to try some wider tires on the front
> > > > on my car to
> > > > > > get it to turn better, and because i cant get even my 245
> > > > (on a 9"
> > > > > > rim) rim hot enough to matter. i think my competition uses a
> > > > > > 205 size tire on a 10 inch rim! they drive on warm tires.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -james c
> > > > > > OSP - Often Spinning, Perhaps
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <jake@codeworm.com>
> > > > > > To: <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:52 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Benefits of various tire sizes on my del Slo..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > So, I've got 14x5.5 wheels, and I'm considering the
> > > > various Kumhos
> > > > > > > that will fit them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I understand that a smaller diameter tire is
> > advantageous in
> > > > > > > terms of gearing, and I suspect a wider tire is
> > good because
> > > > > > > more rubber is on the road. But I
> > > > remember skimming
> > > > > > > a thread recently that mentioned you might NOT get
> > > > > > that extra
> > > > > > > tread to the road if the wheel is too narrow. Are
> > > > there bad side
> > > > > > > effects of this?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another factor: Given that my car has no camber adjustment
> > > > > > > and I'm hard on the outside tread blocks up front, is it
> > > > > > > better or worse to have wider tires?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the Ecsta, I could mount 225/50-14, 185/55-14, or
> > > > > > > 195/55-14.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.kumhousa.com/pages/pcr/ev700stats.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the Victoracer, I could mount 205/55-14 or 185/60-14
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.kumhousa.com/pages/pcr/vv700stats.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What does a wider tire to for me, versus a narrower
> > one? If
> > > > > > > the narrower one is better, how much cheaper does a
> > slightly
> > > > > > > used set of 205/55-14 Victoracers have to be to offset the
> > > > > > > lower performance. :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Finally, any data on which model is better for autocross?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jake Hodges
> > > > > > > Honda del Slo
> > > > > > > 35 HS
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