Kenneth,
Some assumptions in your message:
When a police officer in the USA asks to search a person or his vehicle, and
the officer has no probable cause and does not have a warrant, it is a
request, not an order.
The concept that anybody who exercises his right to be free from
indiscriminate searches and other police intrusions, must have something to
hide, is the antithesis of freedom and quite frankly, un-American. The
American justice system is based on the idea that it is better to let nine
guilty men go free in order to protect the one innocent man, than it is to
do the reverse. At least six amendments to our Constitution are there to
protect that one innocent man. If you have a problem with that, it is your
right as an American citizen to try to change this. But it's not going to be
easy, since it is embedded in the very core of this nation and our laws, and
has been for over 200 years.
Regards from an idealistic American,
P.S.
I'll be glad to continue the conversation in private email, or in person
over a beer or two, but no more on the email list!
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Allan Mitchell [mailto:nokones@kenmitchell.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 19:26
To: Michael R. Clements
Cc: craig boyle; Talley, Brooks; John Kelly; jeff; John J. Stimson-III;
ba-autox@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: Fw: CA Special Alert
Michael:
If you agree, than why not comply with an official order and you could
be on your way in no time. If you are not hiding or guilty of anything
why be an adam henry with any official?
"Michael R. Clements" wrote:
>
> Having lived and traveled in many different places in the world, I
couldn't
> agree more.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of craig boyle
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:51
> To: Michael R. Clements; Talley, Brooks; John Kelly; jeff; John J.
> Stimson-III
> Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: Fw: CA Special Alert
>
> There are lots of things about living in the U.S. that
> struck me as a serious infringement of whatever rights
> I thought I had (obsession with photo ID, SS#, traffic
> stops, data privacy) - but so what? the fact is that
> this is the best country in the world to live in, if
> it wasn't the best, I'd up and move elsewhere asap.
>
> So you just have to put up with some of the crap to
> get the benefits. No big deal, that's how life is.
> Most of the 6b people in the world would give an
> important body part to live in the US, profiling and
> all.
>
> What's culturally interesting is to see what's rated
> as acceptable degrees of freedom in different
> countries.
>
> Craig
>
> --- "Michael R. Clements" <mrclem@telocity.com> wrote:
> > Craig wrote:
> >
> > > I think they call it "profiling"
> >
> > Are you surprised? Profiling is a necessary result
> > of any attempt to
> > prosecute victimless "crimes". Without any victim to
> > report the "crime" or
> > to provide any description of the "criminals", the
> > police have little choice
> > but to poke around on their own, looking for
> > "violations".
> >
> > Reason magazine recently had an interesting article
> > on this, talking about
> > case probability vs. class probabilty and stuff like
> > that. However, it's
> > probably of interest only to idealists. . .
> >
> > Regards,
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Kenneth Allan Mitchell
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