I really doubt if she would do that she is to nice.
Ray Colbert
Pittsburgh PA
> ----------
> From: Jason Isley[SMTP:Jason.Isley@alltel.com]
> Reply To: Jason Isley
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 10:52 AM
> To: jac73@daimlerchrysler.com; autox@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: GPS and Big Brother Hysteria
>
> I know of a certain SM drivers wife who works for the General. She
> said
> during Impound at Natls we could write down the VINs of all the C5s in SS
> and
> she would void the warranty when she got back to work.
> Curt O should get that letter in the mail any day. <g>
>
> Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley
> jason.isley@alltel.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jac73@daimlerchrysler.com at INTERNET
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 8:40 AM
> To: autox@autox.team.net at INTERNET
> Subject: RE: GPS and Big Brother Hysteria
>
>
> Here's the deal, folks. If you have one of the systems like OnStar or an
> equivalent from another manufacturer -- you know, one of the ones that
> uses
> a cell phone to call for help if the airbags deploy -- yes, they'll know
> if
> you endo the car at a race track, unless you disable the system first.
>
> GPS systems are receive-only -- there's an additional component (the cell
> phone) needed to send positional information to a third party. Disable
> the
> phone, end of problem.
>
> While some manufacturers (GM and Mercedes now, others to follow) equipping
> some cars with crash data recorders, these do not have a telemetry
> capability -- they have to physically remove the box from the car and plug
> it into the download equipment. The stated purpose of these recorders is
> to gather real-world crash data to make better safety systems for cars and
> trucks. If you off the car on a race track, odds are pretty good that
> your
> insurance won't cover it (or will... once... and you'll be shopping for
> another insurance company) and the automaker will honor the clause in
> their
> warranty agreement that voids the warranty if the car is used for
> competition. I'm sure there's more to the story of the guy with the
> Corvette getting the "no more warranty" letter than was related here.
> Given that hitting a pothole in a particular fashion at normal surface
> street speeds can spike g readings beyond a "normal" threshold, I find it
> very difficult to believe that GM would use that data (which, again, could
> only be collected by physically removing the crash recorder from the car)
> to void a warranty. Showing up at the dealer for service work with a
> Vortech supercharger or a NOS fogger nozzle plumbed into the intake
> snorkel
> would certainly red-flag that VIN in the warranty computer, though.
>
> As far as OBD-III and "fix it or fine" letters, again, there is no
> telemetry. Period. The PCM will record any fault codes, same as today,
> and these can be downloaded at the dealership. The main thing OBD-III
> does
> is add some additional monitored systems over the current OBD-II. It's
> still just a proposal, mind you, and has not be ratified or given a firm
> timetable for implementation to the best of my knowledge. The "fix it or
> fine letter" rumor has been going around since OBD-II was just a proposal,
> by the way. There wasn't any truth to it then, there isn't any truth to
> it
> now. If anything like that happens, it will be the result of roadside
> monitors that operate similar to photo radar -- the sniffer detects the
> gross polluter, the camera takes a happy snap, the car owner gets a "fix
> it
> ticket" in the mail.
>
> Think about it in terms of cost: if these telemetry systems existed (they
> don't), someone would have to pay for them. The government won't spend
> that kind of money. The automakers certainly won't spend that kind of
> money unless required by law to do so (and they're not -- say what you
> will
> about Congress, they're smart enough to know that a Big Brother-style
> tracking system for cars won't survive its first court challenge on
> freedom
> of expression and search and seizure grounds). Cell phone airtime costs
> money. The equipment and personnel needed to monitor a fleet of cars
> numbering in the tens of millions costs money. Even if it was only on new
> cars -- there will be around 15,000,000 new cars and light trucks sold in
> this country in 2000, give or take a couple million -- that's a lot of new
> cars. Even if the system only transmitted when there was a fault logged,
> that's a lot of airtime bandwidth in an already crowded EM spectrum.
>
> What I don't get is why a bunch of Porsche clubbers are so dedicated to
> the
> ability to commit insurance fraud and/or warranty fraud. When you go out
> on a track, even for "instruction", you pays your money and you takes your
> chances. If you have an oops! moment, you should be prepared to open you
> wallet.
>
> Saddened at the lack of personal responsibility in this world today,
>
> Jim Crider
>
> DaimlerChrysler <salute!> doesn't endorse anything I've said above. If
> you
> wish to flame someone, flame the writer, not the company.
>
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