Hey Don I love it!!!! With the right planning, it could host the
nationals, and the entire neighborhood would not even have to have an
RV. Just think of the travel expenses and rigs they could save!
Larry from Indiana
Don Kline wrote:
>
> Almost anywhere you go you can find a community that has, as a centerpiece,
> a golf course. The homes are built all around the golf course. Why not
> build a bunch of homes around a *H*U*G*E* parking lot and have an
> "autocross" community?????
>
> in HIS grace thru Jesus,
> Don
>
> >From: Reijo Silvennoinen <rase@istar.ca>
> >Reply-To: Reijo Silvennoinen <rase@istar.ca>
> >To: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com
> >CC: autox@autox.team.net
> >Subject: Re: Any Civil Engineers in the House?
> >Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:52:29 -0600
> >
> >dg50@daimlerchrysler.com wrote:
> >
> > > But a back-of-the-napkin calculation says that a 200'X200' pad, at a
> >depth
> > > of 4", works out to roughly 40 cubic yards of concrete. At roughly 10
> >cubic
> > > yards of concrete per truckload, and roughly $100 per truckload, then
> >that
> > > pad costs $4000. Still not chump change, but a 200 sqft pad is a decent
> > > sized skidpad....
> >
> >I just happen to be a civil engineer (although I keep hearing there are no
> >such
> >critters... ;^) ).
> >
> >First step, throw out the napkin. Concrete is in excess of $100 per cu. m.
> >(as
> >of over 5 years ago).....varies with location....I'd guess around $120/cu.
> >m.
> >CDN actually. A truck has something like 7 cu. m. in it......$900-1,000
> >per
> >truck CDN. might be closer as an estimate. A truck load of fill might cost
> >a
> >little over $100 provided it is not trucked very far.
> >
> > > I'm thinking
> > > that's large enough to run a pretty decent sized autocross course on....
> > > and it's WAY cheaper than I thought.
> >
> >Too good to be true, isn't it? ;^)
> >
> > > And I bet paving with asphalt is even
> > > cheaper per square foot.
> >
> >Not much. Note that asphalt stands up to salt a little better than
> >concrete
> >(concrete is porous, did you know?).
> >
> > > All of a sudden, the idea of building a dedicated autocross facility
> > > doesn't seem quite so far-fetched. I had always figured an initial price
> >in
> > > the millions, not the tens of thousands. Can building a facility
> >*really*
> > > be cheaper than buying a Dynojet?
> >
> >haha...millions just may be correct! As others have already mentioned, the
> >concrete or asphalt is a fraction of the cost. It needs a good base or
> >else it
> >will fall apart quite quickly.
> >
> >That means a soils report/investigation by prof. soils engineers, a storm
> >drainage study/design and incorporation of storm drainage retention ponds
> >or
> >some other such thing (again by specialized engineers in storm design),
> >transportation/traffic studies (transportation engineers), design of the
> >sub-base, base etc. etc. etc.......all by professional engineers, landscape
> >architects, etc. etc. etc.
> >
> >Once the design parameters are on paper (professionally produced and
> >stamped
> >drawings), you can rest assured that you will require huge equipment (take
> >a
> >look next time when you pass a road construction zone or subdivision under
> >construction as an example) for earth moving, compaction, removal (poor
> >soils
> >and topsoil) of fill, importation of engineered fill, soils testing,
> >asphalt/concrete testing, general engineering inspection.
> >
> >Oh, and by the way, what about zoning? And ask the neighbours what they
> >might
> >think (usually a part of the development permit procedure) about an
> >autocross
> >facility next door? Maybe the extra traffic generated cannot be handled by
> >the
> >road.... Maybe the local gov't authorities want you to provide some green
> >space and perhaps even some additional development outside your property at
> >YOUR expense (such as extensions of existing water/sewer lines, upgrading
> >of
> >roads etc.).
> >
> >Trust me there is much more.......and I won't even get into the issues
> >involved
> >if there should be any running water (stream/river/body of water) on the
> >property or the land is an agricultural reserve of some sort. And, you
> >might
> >even go through the entire design process and not get approval to proceed.
> >
> >Feeling overwhelmed yet? You should be! ;^) Chances are you will not be
> >allowed to break the ground.
> >
> >Our office has just recently designed a new kart track (1.1 km. - 9 meters
> >wide
> >track) and even with volunteer labour and a good price (paving/earthwork
> >co.
> >owned by a racer) they are still looking at something in the vicinity of a
> >$1/4
> >Million not including the land (leased land).....provided it is approved by
> >the
> >various local authorities affected by the development.
> >
> >However, I've sometimes thought that the local club (Calgary Sports Car
> >Club)
> >could sell it's clubhouse (yep, bought and paid for - the city is quickly
> >encroaching) and buy some land just as you are proposing and build a huge
> >honkin' paved lot! - still think it is a great idea although controversial
> >locally due to sentiments/history tied up in the clubhouse. Of course,
> >some
> >facility like that would have to be far away from any concentrated
> >development
> >to be "cheap". For instance, an old abandoned WWII airport used for
> >training
> >might be possible to obtain.....but the cost will be significant. It might
> >have a decent base on which to place new asphalt or concrete after removing
> >the
> >existing runway (one south of Calgary is too broken up to be used by
> >us.....10
> >years ago.).
> >
> >That's enough for now and then some I think... ;^)
> >
> >Later,
> >Reijo
> >
> >--
> >Reijo Silvennoinen, CSCC Nat'l Event Rep.
> >Calgary, Alberta
> >Calgary Sports Car Club (CSCC) web site:
> >http://www.cscc.ab.ca
> >Canadian National Autoslalom Championship (CNAC) list:
> >http://www.onelist.com/links/solocanada
> >CNAC Web Site: http://CNAC2000.erc.bc.ca/
> >
> >
>
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