<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body>That's a good one. ...<br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Colleen & Mike <thechards@ispace.net.au> <br>Date: 08/13/2015 2:51 AM (GMT-08:00) <br>To: 'wagonman' <wagonman@pacbell.net> <br>Subject: RE: [Thelist] Maroon Color <br><br>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I hope you’ve got good brakes, John –
the standard Magnette ones won’t be good enough to stop that color
quickly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">p.s. apologies to all the English, Irish,
Welsh, Scots, Aussies, Kiwi’s, South Africans and others in the English
speaking world who know I spelt THAT word wrong . . .<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
Thelist [mailto:thelist-bounces@zmgna.org] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>wagonman via Thelist<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 13 August 2015 2:39
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Martin Peterson via Thelist<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> 'List for the Z Magnette Group
- <st1:place w:st="on">North America</st1:place>'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Thelist] Maroon
Color</span></font><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Can I get the ppg color formula for that ?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
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From: Martin Peterson via Thelist <thelist@zmgna.org> <br>
Date: 08/12/2015 6:07 PM (GMT-08:00) <br>
To: Allen Bachelder <bachldrs@comcast.net>, David Martin
<dhmartinwh@gmail.com> <br>
Cc: thelist@zmgna.org <br>
Subject: Re: [Thelist] Maroon Color <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black">Very pretty car! Wish I could have made the <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Grand Rapids</st1:place></st1:city> gathering last weekend to see it
up close!<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black">Paint –<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black">I found that this Maroon color changes drastically with the light
applied. My newer painted car will easily show the spread of 3 possible colors
shown on the color chips I have depending on the light. Just for fun I took
some rubbing compound to the original red paint within the doorjamb of my
unrestored car and took a flash picture of it. Then I took a flash
picture of my restored car and placed them all against some color chips for
these cars (see attached/below).<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black">Results to my eye –<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black">Both of my 1958 ZB cars are very close to the
same shade of Red/Maroon.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black">Based on the color chips I have they seem to
best match the Cherry Red color chip or the DuPont 83440 color chip (under
flash pics).<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black">The Autumn Red chip seems closer than the
Magnette Red.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black">Have to agree with Steve that in the end finding the best actual
match is best done with a real sample of the target color. I used to do
quite a bit of auto painting and matching older color systems wasn’t very
accurate in my recollection. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Allen Bachelder via
Thelist<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 12, 2015
5:30 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> David Martin; ZMG NA<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Thelist] 1958 ZB
parts car or restore<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Thought I was writing to Martin Peterson. Too many "Martins"
for my feeble old brain. I still think the color, though faded in the
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