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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'> Hi ALL,  I Believe I've Addressed this Before, But I Have a  BMC Series ZA ZB Magnette Parts Service List also The ZA ZB Repair Manual, if Anyone Need'z a Picture of a Certain Part or ??, etc.<BR>Michael.<br> <BR><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: skirby210@cox.net<br>To: zmagnette@autox.team.net<br>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:26:15 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Your humble servant...<br><br>




<div>priceless.  Two Earl Scheib stories from back in the day:  
1)  Painted the spare tire in the trunk  2) Guy had a For Sale sign 
taped to his door.  Do I need to finish that one ?????</div>
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  <div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> 
  <a title="zamagnette@charter.net" href="mailto:zamagnette@charter.net">John 
  Perkins</a> </div>
  <div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="zmagnette@autox.team.net" href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">List for the Z Magnette Group - North 
  America</a> </div>
  <div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:14 
  PM</div>
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  servant...</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">Reminds me of my shop manager at the MG-Jaguar 
  dealership I worked at:  Jim was an excellent mechanic and machinist, so 
  when he decided to 'fix up' his Beetle he built up a 2200cc VW with an Okrasa 
  crank, Isky cam and a pair of Weber IDFs.  He did all the body work in 
  metal using only a little lead to hide the deep file marks, I told him he 
  should clear coat it and call it done it was absolutely stunning in 
  metal.  He decided to drive the car to a shop that could 'squirt it 
  cheap' - they painted over a butterfly that was plastered on the hood on the 
  drive over.<br>    Perkins<br>On 2/20/2014 2:58 PM, Steve Kirby 
  wrote:<br></div>
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    <div>I dunno about some of these so-called professionals.  I think the 
    difference between a lot of folks on this group, is that we are willing to 
    admit we are amateur/novices/hobbyists . . . whatever.  We are very 
    willing to learn and listen, however.  </div>
    <div> </div>
    <div>This morning, I was trying to help a relatively new Club member with 
    the horrid mess he has gotten into having his MGB body work and painting 
    done.  In short, one shop (Tim's), a normally very good shop . . . 
    .show cars, etc., did the body work.  They probably get upwards of $10K 
    for a paint job, after bodywork, etc.  So, they sent him across the 
    street, to a M__co shop, previously owned by a "Bob".  Apparently, at 
    one time, Bob and Tim had a good "working" realationship . . . I do 
    this, you do that . . . no words spoken.  So, off it went to M__co, now 
    under the ownership of a Dennis (unbeknownest to our Club 
    member).  My only involvement at this point was transporting the 
    car to and fro.  When I helped pick up the "painted" car, I immediately 
    saw a zillion issues, but didn't say anything.  Eventually, the new 
    member started asking pretty pointed questions to me, and finally 
    I pointed out (beyond the painted dents and dings and  . . . .. ) 
    a lot of other horrid things . . . no prep, other than maybe 36 grit on a DA 
    sander,  no color sanding below the belt line (which he paid for), 
    waves and rolls in fendes, filler not blocked at all, welds not ground down, 
    drips and sags all over creation, but then a general lack of paint in 
    most places.  A really @#$^& mess.</div>
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    <div>Long story short, it becomes a "He said, 
    She said" deal.  Each shop claims the mess is the other's 
    responsibility.  As of today, it is being done over again, after much 
    negotiating, etc.  Investment so far is about $4500sih.  I can't 
    believe M__co could paint over all this stuff, and simply say "We assumed 
    the car was ready to paint, when it came from Tim."  It's like if a dog 
    turd was sitting on the hood, they would have just painted right over 
    it.  I think even Uncle Earl did better than that.</div>
    <div> </div>
    <div>So much for professionals.</div>
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    <div>#2SteveK </div>
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      <div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
      <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> 
      <a title="bachldrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net">Allen Bachelder</a> </div>
      <div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="zmagnette@autox.team.net" href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">List for the 
      Z Magnette Group - North America</a> </div>
      <div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 
      12:33 PM</div>
      <div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Your humble 
      servant...</div>
      <div><br></div>Given my current geriatric state of mind, plus the fact 
      that I'm working so slowly I'll forget by the time I even correct this 
      side, let alone get to the other side, hey it could end up SPACERS 4, 
      ALLEN 0. I'll try to remember to report if I happen to get it right. 
       And all of this after being so careful to get the shims perfect 
      before packing the bearings.  What, oh WHAT was I thinking???? 
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      <div>But isn't this part of the fun?  Aren't these moments the reason 
      why we prefer to screw these things up ourselves rather than hire some 
      expert to get it right the first time - and in about one-fourth the time 
      anyway?  We don't have to tell lies when we kick tires together - the 
      truth is good enough.  And, at least at my age, we can re-use these 
      same stories year after year and they'll be just as good because nobody 
      will remember anyway...  Next Easter, I'm going to hide my own eggs. 
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      <div>Allen<br>
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      <div>On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Steve Kirby wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline">
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        <div>actually, since there are two sides:  Spacers 2 . . . . Allen 
        0.  But, maybe Allen caught on faster than I did, so it really IS 1 
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          <div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message -----</div>
          <div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228);"><b>From:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a title="schris51@att.net" href="mailto:schris51@att.net">Steve 
          Christiansen</a></div>
          <div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a title="zmagnette@autox.team.net" href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">List for the Z Magnette Group - North 
          America</a></div>
          <div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, February 20, 2014 
          6:57 AM</div>
          <div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] Your humble 
          servant...</div>
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          <div>Spacer 1</div>
          <div>Allen 0<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div>
          <div><br>On Feb 19, 2014, at 7:44 PM, Allen Bachelder <<a href="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net">bachldrs@comcast.net</a>> 
          wrote:<br><br></div>
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            <div>reassembling his MGB...   
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            <div>"Nonsense," said Allen, "first the distance piece, and 
            THEN the inner bearing and seal."</div>
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            <div>' Guess that's what those spare FWB seals are for...</div>
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            & Florrie Bachelder       =iii=<<br>Spring 
            Creek Home for Wayward MGs</i></b></div>
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            ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT</i></b></div>
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            Street, MI 48049, 
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