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<DIV>I dunno about some of these so-called professionals. I think the
difference between a lot of folks on this group, is that we are willing to admit
we are amateur/novices/hobbyists . . . whatever. We are very willing to
learn and listen, however. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This morning, I was trying to help a relatively new Club member with the
horrid mess he has gotten into having his MGB body work and painting done.
In short, one shop (Tim's), a normally very good shop . . . .show cars, etc.,
did the body work. They probably get upwards of $10K for a paint job,
after bodywork, etc. So, they sent him across the street, to a M__co shop,
previously owned by a "Bob". Apparently, at one time, Bob and Tim had
a good "working" realationship . . . I do this, you do that . . . no words
spoken. So, off it went to M__co, now under the ownership of a Dennis
(unbeknownest to our Club member). My only involvement at this
point was transporting the car to and fro. When I helped pick up the
"painted" car, I immediately saw a zillion issues, but didn't say
anything. Eventually, the new member started asking pretty pointed
questions to me, and finally I pointed out (beyond the painted dents and
dings and . . . .. ) a lot of other horrid things . . . no prep, other
than maybe 36 grit on a DA sander, no color sanding below the belt line
(which he paid for), waves and rolls in fendes, filler not blocked at all, welds
not ground down, drips and sags all over creation, but then a general lack
of paint in most places. A really @#$^& mess.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Long story short, it becomes a "He said, She said" deal.
Each shop claims the mess is the other's responsibility. As of today, it
is being done over again, after much negotiating, etc. Investment so far
is about $4500sih. I can't believe M__co could paint over all this stuff,
and simply say "We assumed the car was ready to paint, when it came from
Tim." It's like if a dog turd was sitting on the hood, they would have
just painted right over it. I think even Uncle Earl did better than
that.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So much for professionals.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>#2SteveK </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=bachldrs@comcast.net href="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net">Allen
Bachelder</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=zmagnette@autox.team.net
href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">List for the Z Magnette Group - North
America</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:33
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Your humble
servant...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Given my current geriatric state of mind, plus the fact that
I'm working so slowly I'll forget by the time I even correct this side, let
alone get to the other side, hey it could end up SPACERS 4, ALLEN 0. I'll try
to remember to report if I happen to get it right. And all of this after
being so careful to get the shims perfect before packing the bearings.
What, oh WHAT was I thinking????
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<DIV>But isn't this part of the fun? Aren't these moments the reason why
we prefer to screw these things up ourselves rather than hire some expert to
get it right the first time - and in about one-fourth the time anyway?
We don't have to tell lies when we kick tires together - the truth is
good enough. And, at least at my age, we can re-use these same stories
year after year and they'll be just as good because nobody will remember
anyway... Next Easter, I'm going to hide my own eggs. <BR>
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<DIV>On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Steve Kirby wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>actually, since there are two sides: Spacers 2 . . . . Allen
0. But, maybe Allen caught on faster than I did, so it really IS 1 to
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=schris51@att.net
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN
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href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">List for the Z Magnette Group -
North America</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:57
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [Zmagnette] Your humble
servant...</DIV>
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<DIV>Allen 0<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Feb 19, 2014, at 7:44 PM, Allen Bachelder <<A
href="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net">bachldrs@comcast.net</A>>
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<DIV>reassembling his MGB...
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<DIV>"Nonsense," said Allen, "first the distance piece, and THEN
the inner bearing and seal."</DIV>
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<DIV>' Guess that's what those spare FWB seals are for...</DIV>
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