<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"><base href="x-msg://18/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">If it is a harness from British Auto Wiring or Autosparks, it will precisely match the schematic right down to the proper terminations on the wires... I have installed nearly a dozen from both sources and they are uncanny in their accuracy. Though it never hurts to verify grounds!<div><br></div><div>Steve H.<br><div><div>On Feb 17, 2014, at 1:48 PM, "Mike Ash" <<a href="mailto:mikeash@dmv.com">mikeash@dmv.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">All good suggestions. However, I would like to suggest that it may be a ground problem. I do not know which one, but I would suggest that all ground connections be checked (with a meter) for a solid connection to the bare chassis, and that they are not insulated from the chassis by paint. <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">In my experience with a new harness, it may not exactly match the diagram because they may have taken a wire by a different path to achieve the same result. The additional wire on you fuse block may be for the wiper motor, the connections for which are shown incorrectly on the diagram.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">My two cents!<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Mike.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:zmagnette-<a href="mailto:bounces@autox.team.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>John Perkins<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, February 17, 2014 12:30 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring problem<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Roger:<br> I sounds like there are two separate issues.<br> On your ZB, the Dome light should have a brown wire with a green tracer to power it and a brown wire with black tracer to the door switches to ground it. This will be energized all the time not just when the key is turned on, so I would recommend checking out your connections to the dome light.<br> The turn signal issue is most likely incorrect wiring at the direction indicator relay unit. Here is a diagram of just the unit that may help you. On my own car, the cover was on the unit incorrectly so when I thought I was attaching a wire to terminal 1 it was actually terminal 8. If you look at the factory shop manual diagram, the Direction Indicator Relay Unit, it shows the coils and relay points - with the diagram I enclosed, you should be able to determine if your relay unit has had the cover installed wrong or not.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> Perkins<br>On 2/17/2014 10:44 AM, Richard Greenberg wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I'd start by finding which wire supplies the dome light, and track it back to the power source.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> Rick Greenberg<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Feb 17, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Rodger Shaver wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">I have been frustrated with a glitch with my re-wiring job. This is a 59 ZB with a new British Wiring harness. Regulator is the original, as are horn and signal light relays. New flasher unit form Moss. Re-wired stator tube. Most electrical functions seem correct, e.g. the heater fan motor, the ignition, headlights. However, when I turn on the key all four signal lights flash, along with the dome light. I have checked connections to dash panel and relays and can't find a problem. I have had trouble confirming green wire continuity from fuse box to all connections. Finally, I have four green wires at the fuse box, not the three illustrated on the ZA diagram I have in my WSM. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">I need advice on how to troubleshoot this problem, everything I check seems ok or doesn't make any sense. Rodger <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">-----Original Message-----<br>From: Steve Kirby <<a href="mailto:skirby210@cox.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">skirby210@cox.net</a>><br>To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America <<a href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">zmagnette@autox.team.net</a>><br>Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 8:40 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Z Magnette Wiring Diagram<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_2_154e9e13-90e2-4041-9c92-b18144d41a91"><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Thanks John, this is huge undertaking, and I know we are all very appreciative of your efforts!<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">#2SteveK<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; "><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">----- Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:zamagnette@charter.net" title="zamagnette@charter.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">John Perkins</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">To:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net" title="zmagnette@autox.team.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">zmagnette@autox.team.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, February 16, 2014 1:51 PM<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Zmagnette] Z Magnette Wiring Diagram<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">No, I haven't fallen off the face of the earth. Family and Employer<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>have conspired to keep me from spending as much time on the wiring<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>diagram as I had hoped. Also, building a set of icons to use for the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>various components has taken more time than I thought. The news is that<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>I've completed building a single wiring diagram that has all of the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>options for the ZA, ZB, ZB Varitone both RHD and LHD. It is being<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>checked for accuracy and completeness so it should be ready to send out<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>soon.<br> Perkins<br>_______________________________________________<br>Zmagnette mailing list<br><br>Donate:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>Forums:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/forums" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/zmagnette/skirby210@cox.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; 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