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From: Steve Hanegan <steve@betterwitnesses.com><br>
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Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 5:16 pm<br>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space" class=aolReplacedBody>If it is a harness from British Auto Wiring or Autosparks, it will precisely match the schematic right down to the proper terminations on the wires... I have installed nearly a dozen from both sources and they are uncanny in their accuracy. Though it never hurts to verify grounds!
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<div>On Feb 17, 2014, at 1:48 PM, "Mike Ash" <<A href="mailto:mikeash@dmv.com">mikeash@dmv.com</A>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">In my experience with a new harness, it may not exactly match the diagram because they may have taken a wire by a different path to achieve the same result. The additional wire on you fuse block may be for the wiper motor, the connections for which are shown incorrectly on the diagram.</SPAN></div>
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I sounds like there are two separate issues.<br>
On your ZB, the Dome light should have a brown wire with a green tracer to power it and a brown wire with black tracer to the door switches to ground it. This will be energized all the time not just when the key is turned on, so I would recommend checking out your connections to the dome light.<br>
The turn signal issue is most likely incorrect wiring at the direction indicator relay unit. Here is a diagram of just the unit that may help you. On my own car, the cover was on the unit incorrectly so when I thought I was attaching a wire to terminal 1 it was actually terminal 8. If you look at the factory shop manual diagram, the Direction Indicator Relay Unit, it shows the coils and relay points - with the diagram I enclosed, you should be able to determine if your relay unit has had the cover installed wrong or not.<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><br>
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various components has taken more time than I thought. The news is that<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><br>
I've completed building a single wiring diagram that has all of the<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><br>
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