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<DIV>Amongst the many, many things I know virtually nothing about, chasing
electrical circuits, particularly anything mildly bordering on electronics, is
high on my list. House wiring . . . hark, I've wired entire condominium
projects, and they didn't burn down. Relays and all that . . . I'm
lost. BUT, I have learned this much, FWIW, and Mike Ash (naturally)
already said it. I've found the hard way that new paint and ground are an
oxymoron. It just kills ya to scratch up/away new paint to make stuff
ground, but by golly, that's what it takes sometimes. The best trick that
was passed onto me, was whenever possible, use a brand new (NOT original, 60 yr.
old flattened ones) "Star" washers. The guy passing this onto
me preferred external ones, but . . . The little ends
will bite through the paint, and you'll have a good ground, without scratching
around with a screwdriver, etc.</DIV>
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<DIV>#2SteveK</DIV>
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<A title=gopherdad@aol.com href="mailto:gopherdad@aol.com">Rodger Shaver</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=zmagnette@autox.team.net
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 17, 2014 5:49
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring
problem</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for everyone's good ideas and starting points. The DB10 relay box
has the cover on correctly and those wires are correctly attached. The
flashing stops when I disconnect the green wire to the double connection where
it meets the green to the stator tube and sends a green back to the
flasher. I will follow some more trials tomorrow to see if I can
distinguish if problem can be isolated to the flasher or stator wiring. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The sneak current to the dome light made me wonder about my grounds too,
I will re-check that wiring under the dash too. I was frustrated enough
to work only on bumpers and over riders most of today. </DIV>
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<DIV
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Message-----<BR>From: Paul Vermont <paul@vinwire.com.au><BR>To: List for
the Z Magnette Group - North America <zmagnette@autox.team.net><BR>Sent:
Mon, Feb 17, 2014 2:58 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring problem<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi Rodger, I have the wiring harness business in
Australia and a couple of Magnettes so I may be able to assist your trouble
shooting.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I assume your car is fitted with the Lucas DB10
relay box and your rear signal lights operate as stop lights and turn
signals.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The first thing I would do is disconnect the
wires to the stator tube. The wires may have become twisted and shorted. If
the condition persists then you know it is not caused by the stator tube wire
or the flasher switch. If the condition goes away, remove and chek the stator
tube wiring and switch connections.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I would also check the connections to the roof
harness behind the dash. Make sure the wires are connected colour for colour -
white purple and white brown for the two rear signal lamps and brown
green for the interior light. Again, you can disconnect these and see if the
problem persists by checking the front flashers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>And the other thing to check is the DB10 relay
box. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On terminal one you should have a green with
brown wire which comes from "L" on the flasher can.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Terminal 2 should be a green with white wire for
your front right flasher</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Terminal 3 should be a white with brown wire for
the right rear signal lamp (brake and flasher combined)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Terminal 4 should be a green with yellow
wire from your stator tube to turn on the right turn
flashers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Terminal 5 should be a green with purple wire and
is the input from the stop lights switch</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Terminal 6 should be a green with red
wire and is for the front left flasher</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Terminal 7 should be a white with purple wire and
is for the leaft rear signal lamp</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Terminal 8 should be a green with blue wire and
is from your stator tube to turn on the left turn flashers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>These are the standard Lucas colour codes. If all
this is wired correctly, and your problem still persists, I would disconnect
the wires on terminals four and 8 and see if the condition goes away. If it
doeasn. I would suggest the DB10 box is faulty.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Let me know how you get on.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Paul Vermont</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=zmagnette@autox.team.net
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Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:06 AM</DIV>
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[Zmagnette] Wiring problem</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"
face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have been frustrated with a glitch
with my re-wiring job. This is a 59 ZB with a new British Wiring
harness. Regulator is the original, as are horn and signal light relays. New
flasher unit form Moss. Re-wired stator tube. Most electrical
functions seem correct, e.g. the heater fan motor, the ignition,
headlights. However, when I turn on the key all four signal lights
flash, along with the dome light. I have checked connections to dash panel
and relays and can't find a problem. I have had trouble confirming green
wire continuity from fuse box to all connections. Finally, I have four
green wires at the fuse box, not the three illustrated on the ZA diagram I
have in my WSM. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I need advice on how to troubleshoot this problem, everything I check
seems ok or doesn't make any sense. Rodger </DIV>
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Message-----<BR>From: Steve Kirby <<A
href="mailto:skirby210@cox.net">skirby210@cox.net</A>><BR>To: List for
the Z Magnette Group - North America <<A
href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">zmagnette@autox.team.net</A>><BR>Sent:
Sun, Feb 16, 2014 8:40 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Z Magnette Wiring
Diagram<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Thanks John, this is huge undertaking, and I know we are all very
appreciative of your efforts!</DIV>
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<DIV>#2SteveK</DIV>
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<A title=zamagnette@charter.net href="mailto:zamagnette@charter.net">John
Perkins</A> </DIV>
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<A title=zmagnette@autox.team.net
href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">zmagnette@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
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Sunday, February 16, 2014 1:51 PM</DIV>
<DIV
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[Zmagnette] Z Magnette Wiring Diagram</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>No, I haven't fallen off the face of the earth.
Family and Employer <BR>have conspired to keep me from spending as much
time on the wiring <BR>diagram as I had hoped. Also, building a set
of icons to use for the <BR>various components has taken more time than I
thought. The news is that <BR>I've completed building a single
wiring diagram that has all of the <BR>options for the ZA, ZB, ZB Varitone
both RHD and LHD. It is being <BR>checked for accuracy and
completeness so it should be ready to send out
<BR>soon.<BR>
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