<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>But I like "dinking around" with my car! A little grease here... A little oil there... Using my feeler gauges and timing light and dwell meter... And Unisyn... It's a bonding experience... Tune up bits once per year whether it needs it or not. (Usually doesn't...) I also crank start it every once in a while just to remind myself how to do it!<br><br>Steve H</div><div><br>On Feb 7, 2014, at 12:25 AM, "Steve C." <<a href="mailto:laverda@aol.com">laverda@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Mike the same points will just as easily replace an electronic ignition should it fail. Thats why I dont get that argument, especially after you acknowledge the electronic ignition have many benefits. In 40 years or driving MGs I have had several points fail and one electronic ignition with many many more miles drive with electronic ignitions. The real difference is all the fiddling the points require on a routine basis. I would prefer to be driving then setting the points again. <br>
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Sent from my Android phone with <a href="http://mail.com">mail.com</a> Mail. Please excuse my brevity.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Mike <<a href="mailto:mikesmuseum@yahoo.com">mikesmuseum@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Petronix or any electronic ignition system works better than the mechanical (points & condenser) system, no doubt about it. Lots of dyno test results and engine hour tests to back that up. So why do my cars still have points?<br><br>Because I travel cross-country, and with points I don't have to pack a backup distributor assembly, just an extra set of points & a condenser. Which I've had to use, before, too. Twice. In forty years.<br><div><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Mike</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica
Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Allen Bachelder <<a href="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net">bachldrs@comcast.net</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North America <<a href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">zmagnette@autox.team.net</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 6, 2014 2:37 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Zmagnette] Timing<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv3072888292"><div><div>I too vote heavily in favor of Schlemmerizing. I'm using Pertronics also. But if your timing is wondering it could be a sign of a loose timing chanson. Check your dizzy for sticking vacuum &/or centrifugal advances first (easier fix!). </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Worn/wobbling dizzy spindle bush will cause it to run
crappy all the time. Resetting the timing wouldn't help. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>FWIW. </div><div>Allen</div><div><br clear="none">Sent from my iPhone<div>Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs</div><div>Allen Bachelder, prop. </div></div><div class="yiv3072888292yqt5233520253" id="yiv3072888292yqt25585"><div><br clear="none">On Feb 6, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Rodger Shaver <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gopherdad@aol.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gopherdad@aol.com">gopherdad@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font color="black" size="3" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">
</font><div><font style="background-color:transparent;" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have Schlemmerized distributors (<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://advanceddistributors.com/">advanceddistributors.com</a>) with Pertronix in five MGs. No problems so far. I do carry points in case of catastrophic failure on the road. Rodger</font></div>
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<div>Schlemmerized dizzies are way better than Pertronix any day...</div>
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<div>Points you can fix on the road, Pertronix you can't.<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv3072888292moz-cite-prefix">Ken:<br clear="none">
I got my ZA because the guy I bought it from failed to
diagnose a worn out distributor. The original distributor had a
cam that would only open the points on a couple of the lobes, the
shaft was wobbly in the housing, the mechanical advance was rusty
and would not operate smoothly, finally the vacuum advance
diaphragm was leaking. Your issues might be just a distributor
that needs to be rebuilt. Send it to Jeff Schlemmer and let him
Schlemmerize it for you. He's done two for me with excellent
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I drive the car about 10 miles a day so that's less than 1000
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<div>The distributor is original on a rebuilt engine.<br clear="none">
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<div>The electronic distributor is appealing, but it sounds like
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You can argue the merits of points vs electronic ignition
all you
want. Fact is, what Wombat said is correct. The way most
of
us use our cars, it is not normal to require timing
adjustment every 4
months. The rule I remember from when all cars had points
and
carburetors, was to do a full tune up every 10K miles, and
a
"minor" tune up every 5K miles. The full tune up was
plugs, points, condenser, adjust timing, dwell and carb
mixture.
Maybe replace the rotor and cap. The minor tune up was to
basically
do the same stuff, but without replacing any parts. You
would just
clean and readjust what was there, unless something looked
really
terrible. This was not an MG thing, these were just the
rules I
learned for typical American cars of the day. In my
experience,
timing did not change a lot. As Wombat said, wear at the
points may
require adjustment over time. Timing on my Magnette stays
pretty
stable. This is with 1500 engine and original points
setup.
If the distributor is tightened so that you can't turn the
body with your
hand, then that's not the problem. Overtightening just
causes more
problems. I would take a look at the points. If they are
secure, I would look at their condition. Poor quality
parts might
wear faster. Also, a bad condenser can cause the points
to wear
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Hardy
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<dl><dd>No t normal!! Should stay as set for years
literally, if tightened up
properly at the pinch neck bolt.<br clear="none">
</dd><dd>Slight wear at the points may require a very
small adjustment over
time, but only if driven enough to cause the
points to erode... A lot of
driving usually.<br clear="none">
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