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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>In 1949 my father bought a fast back Chevrolet
sedan that was a light green, and if memory serves, it was called Sea Foam Green
by Chevrolet.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Gene D</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=bachldrs@comcast.net href="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net">Allen
Bachelder</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=zmagnette@autox.team.net
href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">List for the Z Magnette Group - North
America</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:47
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] preservation
Paint Chips Part 2</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>OK guys - time for me to 'fess up. Mea is definitely
culpa. I did some googling later last night: ' did find out that "sea
foam green" is a color - but not the one I imagined - more like a light
turquoise. And the only automotive reference I could find was to a GM
color for the 1961 Corvair! When I tried googling MG sea foam
green, I got nary a single hit. I haven't the foggiest idea where I ever
came up with the "sea foam". The color I had in mind is the color of the
Wittmer/Polonus island green car, and that's the same color I found under the
dash when I stripped "Geraldine". "Island Green" is definitely the color
I had in mind. "Sea Foam" Green? 'Tis but a brain phart.
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<DIV>' Sorry,</DIV>
<DIV>Allen<BR>
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<DIV>Thanks for the input. I agree with your comments regarding the
fading of the paint chips. You should see the variety of colors in the
sales brochures I mentioned in Part 1 which have also faded. They are
very attractive but the colors depicted vary so much from one brochure to
another brochure that they are useless for trying to establish what the
colors may have looked like originally. There's that word again.
:) This will be at least the third time my car will have been
painted so there won't be much "original" left - especially after all the
body panels that I purchased from the Shortens have been installed.
:)</DIV>
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<DIV>Dick<BR><BR>
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From:<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:jpark@bmts.com">jpark@bmts.com</A><BR>To:<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">zmagnette@autox.team.net</A><BR>Date:
Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:05:11 -0500<BR>Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] preservation
Paint Chips Part 2<BR><BR>
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In my opinion all the colour chips shown are faded or have a bias to
dullness (not in the sense of lacking shiny). The Island Green colour should
look a bit more like the Ash Green chip shown and the Steel Blue chip should
be more like the Glacier Blue chip. That is how my eyes see it and my brain
remembers it. Jeff Powell’s ZB is Steel Blue as I believe is Jim Shulte’s
ZB. They are much lighter and bluer than the indicated chips though they may
be subtlely different side by side. Ed Polunus’s ex Wittmer car is a much
lighter green than indicated on the chip.</SPAN></DIV>
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Hope that helps,</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net]<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN
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sprafke<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:25
AM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>List for the
Z Magnette Group - North America<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [Zmagnette] preservation Paint
Chips Part 2</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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again,</DIV>
<DIV
style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">There
was a paint code site listed in The Sacred Octagon a few months back that
might be of interest to the group so I will try to list the link
below.</DIV>
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href="http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/default.aspx"
target=_blank>http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/default.aspx</A></DIV>
<DIV
style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">There
are some quirks to the site for example our beloved Magnettes are listed as
a Make, not a model. I’m assuming this confers some sort of exalted
status and perhaps preferential treatment?</DIV>
<DIV
style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">From
the home page, Use the “Classic 1950-1977” section and in Step 1 select the
year (I used 1957) and then Step 2 the Make (use Magnette - for 1957
Magnette is offered but MG is not). Since I haven’t tested all the
different years, perhaps it would be best to use 1957 so you can follow
along and be on the same page with me. </DIV>
<DIV
style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">This
will bring you to a color chip selection with 9 pages. Click on the
page you would like to view. Allen’s Green’s are on pages 3 &
4. I see samples of Sage, Island, and Dark Green on page 3. Page
4 also has a Sage Green but it looks completely different than the one on
page 3 to my eyes, but what do I know? In fact most of the Greens on
this page look pretty Black to me ----. </DIV>
<DIV
style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">Selecting
page 9 will provide a list of all the colors and they are cross referenced
at the top to all the BMC Makes. I can find no mention of the Reseda
Green that I listed in my previous email, and no listing for Sea Foam Green
either. I find it very interesting that Magnette is listed at the top
along with MG, Austin Healey, Riley, etc.</DIV>
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style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">Since
my car is/was Steel Blue and I’m having a devil of a time getting the paint
codes for the original color, I’m asking for anyone with a Steel Blue car to
help me out. The Steel Blue paint chip is listed on page 2. Does
anyone think that this is the correct color for Steel Blue?
Notwithstanding the difficulties in printing colors, and the fact that this
chart, which seems to be dated 11/59 has undoubtedly faded, there is no way
that I would consider the represented color to be Steel Blue. What
does everyone else think? </DIV>
<DIV
style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">This
leads to an interesting continuation of the preservation/originality thread
from earlier today. For as much as I’d like to paint my car the
original color, I personally think the Iris Blue on Page 5 is a more
attractive Blue than the Steel Blue shown on Page 2. It makes no sense
to spend good money on a paint job only to end up with a color you dislike.
What to do? What to do?</DIV>
<DIV
style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">Has
anyone had any experience in dealing with TCP Global and would you care to
make a recommendation as to their service and the quality of their
products?</DIV>
<DIV
style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">Well,
I’m sure I’ve taken too much of your time. I can only hope that this
will be of interest to at least a few of you.</DIV>
<DIV
style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">Yours,</DIV>
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ZB</DIV>
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href="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net">bachldrs@comcast.net</A><BR>Date: Tue, 28
Jan 2014 23:57:26 -0500<BR>To:<SPAN
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Re: [Zmagnette] preservation<BR><BR>Yah but any with island green and sea
foam green within physically comparable distance?</SPAN></DIV>
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figured if I got it wrong, somebody would correct me. In that
sense I was right. ;-) ie. I was wrong and somebody corrected me. But
that "sea foam" bounced around the list for quite awhile and nobody else
caught it. You won the prize - now I just have to figure out what the
prize is... Problem is, when I see"Island green" in my mind, I see
"Sea foam green" and I can't tell the difference! Anybody have any paint
chips with the two colors side-by-side? I need to re-educate my brain as
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always amazed that while refinishing destroys the value of a piece of
antique furniture, "repairs" to an antique Oriental rug, quilt,
historic document or picture often enhance its value. I sort-of
understand but it's a little confusing. And antique clocks and radios
are worth very little unless they work. So you have an antique
radio, but two condensers and four tubes have been replaced to make it
work. Does that diminish or enhance it's value? Old speakers,
household or automotive, can be re-coned or replaced. In a car,
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say you're buying an antique car that you want it as original as
possible. If the engine had been freshly rebuilt to absolutely
original specs by a highly-respected shop, would that diminish or
enhance the value? I would think it would be an enhancement. If
the car was going in a museum, who cares? And if it gets driven, even
just occasionally, it would be a huge asset. The engine can look the
same either way, and the numbers still match.</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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for my preferences, it depends on the car. If the car is
incredibly original when I buy it, I would keep it that way. If
the car has been repainted the wrong color, it's a toss-up but the car
will not do well in a preservation class if the owner is honest.
My first Magnette had been a Manumatic but the Manumatic had
been replaced - along with the original engine - years before I bought
it. I even called the previous owner to try to recover the
stuff. The seized original engine was in his shop, but the Manumatic
had long previously gone to scrap. Originality was not possible.
Therefore I had no qualms about my 1800-5-speed conversion. Same
thing with "Geraldine". The original drivetrain was long-gone.
The car was repainted the wrong colors, and upholstered in the wrong
materials. Originality, again, was impossible.
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to address Rodger's point: sometimes it is only keen observation
of The Navigator's wishes that will unlock the key to the checkbook.
I wanted to take Geraldine back to her original monotone
varitone sea foam green (after all, monotone varitones are very rare -
and worth having) but The Navigator loved her ivory/damask-red
livery and wouldn't hear of sea foam green. So, what do you do?
Of course, we all know... Same thing:
A/C...</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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I can see your point about wanting a fast car, therefore buy a Vette.
But isn't there just a bit of fun in blowing the doors off a
vette with a car that's only supposed to have 68 hp? Granted, my
98 hp Magnette is not going to do that, but my cruising habits have
raised some eyebrows among fellow motorists. Guys at the rest areas
coming up and saying "hey, that thing really moves out" etc:
always fun... I've been a passenger in MGB V8s, where
we've gotten some incredible glances from 300Z owners, etc, as be blew
by them. When I was a kid, I dreamed of building resto-rods long
before the concept evolved. Geraldine is no resto rod, but one
of my principles was to build a Magnette that performs as well as its
interior elegance promises.</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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says they don't care what people think, but I think they do, at
least a bit. That's the only reason there is judging at car
shows. As for this group, I think for the most part we do
accept the "do what ever pleases you" philosophy. But it still
pleases us to have other people appreciate what we have.<BR><BR>I do
think we need to clarify some definitions. Preservation means
keeping what is original. Restoration can be done with an
emphasis on originality, or it can be done while making substantial
modifications to suit your preferences. I would argue that one
can fix some paint chips and still call it preservation. But
if you paint it the original color, that's not preservation.
It's restoration to original. If you paint it bright
blue or add an automatic transmission and air conditioning, that's
restoration to suit your taste. There's the concept of a
"restomod" where they may take an American 1950's sedan and change
the whole drivetrain to late model Corvette, add air conditioning,
power steering, tilt steering wheel, etc. It looks like the
50's but drives like a modern car.<BR><BR>As for preservation, it
has been noted that with things like fine art and antiques, it is
originality that is valued over all else. Refinishing a fine
antique will destroy its value. A skilled craftsman might make
fine repairs but change as little as possible.
Sometimes, even cleaning is a big mistake.<BR><BR>-Steve
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Magnette isn't even a chick magnet but, it drives, stops and turns
some heads. When I attend the frequent free car shows most of the
people look at my car and keep on going. Only the curious stop to
look and chat. Doesn't matter to me. All I am trying to do is let
the people see that 4 door MG's were
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for preservation, I will go back to original color (what ever that
will turn out to be) new carpet, new headliner and two rebuilt
front seats and an engine rebuild. I drive my car all the time,
everywhere, well almost everywhere. Steve, Do what you like with
Millicent Rose. She is a beautiful car with some touch up to
several items. Please the wife, please yourself. Does it matter
what everyone else thinks? If it were a 100 point car I would
never drive it. My thinking is cars were designed to drive and not
sit in a barn for long periods of time. Drive it the way YOU like
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the Magnette(s) in your case. My MGB on the other hand will be
mechanically almost original. The paint with it's two sunburns is
not original at all. I love the color. It will sport a removable
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