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<DIV>some chips for sale on EBay . . . if you're really that concrened
:)))</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=bachldrs@comcast.net href="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net">Allen
Bachelder</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=zmagnette@autox.team.net
href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">List for the Z Magnette Group - North
America</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:22
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette]
preservation</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Well, I figured if I got it wrong, somebody would correct me.
In that sense I was right. ;-) ie. I was wrong and somebody corrected
me. But that "sea foam" bounced around the list for quite awhile and nobody
else caught it. You won the prize - now I just have to figure out what the
prize is... Problem is, when I see"Island green" in my mind, I see "Sea
foam green" and I can't tell the difference! Anybody have any paint chips with
the two colors side-by-side? I need to re-educate my brain as to the
difference.
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<DIV>Thanks John,</DIV>
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always amazed that while refinishing destroys the value of a piece of
antique furniture, "repairs" to an antique Oriental rug, quilt, historic
document or picture often enhance its value. I sort-of understand but
it's a little confusing. And antique clocks and radios are worth very little
unless they work. So you have an antique radio, but two condensers and
four tubes have been replaced to make it work. Does that diminish or enhance
it's value? Old speakers, household or automotive, can be re-coned or
replaced. In a car, I can't imagine this would make much difference,
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say you're buying an antique car that you want it as original as possible.
If the engine had been freshly rebuilt to absolutely original specs by a
highly-respected shop, would that diminish or enhance the value? I
would think it would be an enhancement. If the car was going in a museum,
who cares? And if it gets driven, even just occasionally, it would be a huge
asset. The engine can look the same either way, and the numbers still
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for my preferences, it depends on the car. If the car is
incredibly original when I buy it, I would keep it that way. If the
car has been repainted the wrong color, it's a toss-up but the car will not
do well in a preservation class if the owner is honest. My first
Magnette had been a Manumatic but the Manumatic had been replaced - along
with the original engine - years before I bought it. I even called the
previous owner to try to recover the stuff. The seized original engine was
in his shop, but the Manumatic had long previously gone to scrap.
Originality was not possible. Therefore I had no qualms about my
1800-5-speed conversion. Same thing with "Geraldine". The
original drivetrain was long-gone. The car was repainted the wrong colors,
and upholstered in the wrong materials. Originality, again, was impossible.
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to address Rodger's point: sometimes it is only keen observation of
The Navigator's wishes that will unlock the key to the checkbook. I
wanted to take Geraldine back to her original monotone varitone sea foam
green (after all, monotone varitones are very rare - and worth having)
but The Navigator loved her ivory/damask-red livery and wouldn't hear
of sea foam green. So, what do you do? Of course, we all know...
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I can see your point about wanting a fast car, therefore buy a Vette.
But isn't there just a bit of fun in blowing the doors off a vette
with a car that's only supposed to have 68 hp? Granted, my 98 hp
Magnette is not going to do that, but my cruising habits have raised some
eyebrows among fellow motorists. Guys at the rest areas coming up and saying
"hey, that thing really moves out" etc: always fun... I've been
a passenger in MGB V8s, where we've gotten some incredible glances from 300Z
owners, etc, as be blew by them. When I was a kid, I dreamed of
building resto-rods long before the concept evolved. Geraldine is no
resto rod, but one of my principles was to build a Magnette that performs as
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says they don't care what people think, but I think they do, at least a
bit. That's the only reason there is judging at car shows. As
for this group, I think for the most part we do accept the "do what ever
pleases you" philosophy. But it still pleases us to have other
people appreciate what we have.<BR><BR>I do think we need to clarify some
definitions. Preservation means keeping what is original.
Restoration can be done with an emphasis on originality, or it can
be done while making substantial modifications to suit your preferences.
I would argue that one can fix some paint chips and still call it
preservation. But if you paint it the original color, that's not
preservation. It's restoration to original. If you paint it
bright blue or add an automatic transmission and air conditioning, that's
restoration to suit your taste. There's the concept of a "restomod"
where they may take an American 1950's sedan and change the whole
drivetrain to late model Corvette, add air conditioning, power steering,
tilt steering wheel, etc. It looks like the 50's but drives like a
modern car.<BR><BR>As for preservation, it has been noted that with things
like fine art and antiques, it is originality that is valued over all
else. Refinishing a fine antique will destroy its value. A
skilled craftsman might make fine repairs but change as little as
possible. Sometimes, even cleaning is a big mistake.<BR><BR>-Steve
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Magnette isn't even a chick magnet but, it drives, stops and turns some
heads. When I attend the frequent free car shows most of the people look
at my car and keep on going. Only the curious stop to look and chat.
Doesn't matter to me. All I am trying to do is let the people see that 4
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for preservation, I will go back to original color (what ever that will
turn out to be) new carpet, new headliner and two rebuilt front seats
and an engine rebuild. I drive my car all the time, everywhere, well
almost everywhere. Steve, Do what you like with Millicent Rose. She is a
beautiful car with some touch up to several items. Please the wife,
please yourself. Does it matter what everyone else thinks? If it were a
100 point car I would never drive it. My thinking is cars were designed
to drive and not sit in a barn for long periods of time. Drive it the
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the Magnette(s) in your case. My MGB on the other hand will be
mechanically almost original. The paint with it's two sunburns is not
original at all. I love the color. It will sport a removable hard top
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