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<DIV><FONT size=4>I think that park ranger green on the MGA is called Ash Green
and was primarily used on Coupes, but I had a roadster that color.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jpark@bmts.com
href="mailto:jpark@bmts.com">John Park</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:36 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=zmagnette@autox.team.net
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] preservation</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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think Sea Foam Green is a bit darker than the lighter Island Green. I’ve seen
some MGA’s occasionally that are labeled something different but it is kind of
like light green. Dave Wittmer’s last Magnette, now Ed Polunus’s should be close
to being Island Green. I pondered doing a light green/dark green when redoing
mine but the blue and silver grey won out and I’m happy with
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zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Allen Bachelder<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:22
PM<BR><B>To:</B> List for the Z Magnette Group - North
America<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette]
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<P class=MsoNormal>Well, I figured if I got it wrong, somebody would correct
me. In that sense I was right. ;-) ie. I was wrong and somebody corrected
me. But that "sea foam" bounced around the list for quite awhile and nobody else
caught it. You won the prize - now I just have to figure out what the prize
is... Problem is, when I see"Island green" in my mind, I see "Sea foam
green" and I can't tell the difference! Anybody have any paint chips with the
two colors side-by-side? I need to re-educate my brain as to the
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Jan 28, 2014, at 3:32 PM, John Park
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Wow! That’s about 40% more than mine. I’m jealous Allen. The other questions
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Bachelder<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
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PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>List for the Z
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<P class=MsoNormal>I'm always amazed that while refinishing destroys the value
of a piece of antique furniture, "repairs" to an antique Oriental rug, quilt,
historic document or picture often enhance its value. I sort-of
understand but it's a little confusing. And antique clocks and radios are
worth very little unless they work. So you have an antique radio, but
two condensers and four tubes have been replaced to make it work. Does that
diminish or enhance it's value? Old speakers, household or automotive,
can be re-coned or replaced. In a car, I can't imagine this would make
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<P class=MsoNormal>But say you're buying an antique car that you want it as
original as possible. If the engine had been freshly rebuilt to absolutely
original specs by a highly-respected shop, would that diminish or enhance the
value? I would think it would be an enhancement. If the car was going in
a museum, who cares? And if it gets driven, even just occasionally, it would
be a huge asset. The engine can look the same either way, and the numbers
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<P class=MsoNormal>As for my preferences, it depends on the car.
If the car is incredibly original when I buy it, I would keep it that
way. If the car has been repainted the wrong color, it's a toss-up but
the car will not do well in a preservation class if the owner is honest.
My first Magnette had been a Manumatic but the Manumatic had been replaced -
along with the original engine - years before I bought it. I even called
the previous owner to try to recover the stuff. The seized original engine was
in his shop, but the Manumatic had long previously gone to scrap. Originality
was not possible. Therefore I had no qualms about my 1800-5-speed
conversion. Same thing with "Geraldine". The original drivetrain
was long-gone. The car was repainted the wrong colors, and upholstered in the
wrong materials. Originality, again, was impossible.
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<P class=MsoNormal>And, to address Rodger's point: sometimes it is only
keen observation of The Navigator's wishes that will unlock the key to the
checkbook. I wanted to take Geraldine back to her original monotone
varitone sea foam green (after all, monotone varitones are very rare - and
worth having) but The Navigator loved her ivory/damask-red livery and
wouldn't hear of sea foam green. So, what do you do? Of course, we
all know... Same thing: A/C...<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Ed, I can see your point about wanting a fast car,
therefore buy a Vette. But isn't there just a bit of fun in blowing the
doors off a vette with a car that's only supposed to have 68 hp?
Granted, my 98 hp Magnette is not going to do that, but my cruising habits
have raised some eyebrows among fellow motorists. Guys at the rest areas
coming up and saying "hey, that thing really moves out" etc: always
fun... I've been a passenger in MGB V8s, where we've gotten some
incredible glances from 300Z owners, etc, as be blew by them. When I was
a kid, I dreamed of building resto-rods long before the concept evolved.
Geraldine is no resto rod, but one of my principles was to build a Magnette
that performs as well as its interior elegance
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<P class=MsoNormal>Everyone says they don't care what people think, but I
think they do, at least a bit. That's the only reason there is judging
at car shows. As for this group, I think for the most part we do
accept the "do what ever pleases you" philosophy. But it still pleases
us to have other people appreciate what we have.<BR><BR>I do think we need
to clarify some definitions. Preservation means keeping what is
original. Restoration can be done with an emphasis on originality, or
it can be done while making substantial modifications to suit your
preferences. I would argue that one can fix some paint chips and still
call it preservation. But if you paint it the original color, that's
not preservation. It's restoration to original. If you paint it
bright blue or add an automatic transmission and air conditioning, that's
restoration to suit your taste. There's the concept of a "restomod"
where they may take an American 1950's sedan and change the whole drivetrain
to late model Corvette, add air conditioning, power steering, tilt steering
wheel, etc. It looks like the 50's but drives like a modern
car.<BR><BR>As for preservation, it has been noted that with things like
fine art and antiques, it is originality that is valued over all else.
Refinishing a fine antique will destroy its value. A skilled craftsman
might make fine repairs but change as little as possible.
Sometimes, even cleaning is a big mistake.<BR><BR>-Steve T.<BR><BR>At 01:35
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<P class=MsoNormal>My Magnette isn't even a chick magnet but, it drives,
stops and turns some heads. When I attend the frequent free car shows most
of the people look at my car and keep on going. Only the curious stop to
look and chat. Doesn't matter to me. All I am trying to do is let the
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<P class=MsoNormal>As for preservation, I will go back to original color
(what ever that will turn out to be) new carpet, new headliner and two
rebuilt front seats and an engine rebuild. I drive my car all the time,
everywhere, well almost everywhere. Steve, Do what you like with Millicent
Rose. She is a beautiful car with some touch up to several items. Please
the wife, please yourself. Does it matter what everyone else thinks? If it
were a 100 point car I would never drive it. My thinking is cars were
designed to drive and not sit in a barn for long periods of time. Drive it
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<P class=MsoNormal>Enjoy the Magnette(s) in your case. My MGB on the other
hand will be mechanically almost original. The paint with it's two
sunburns is not original at all. I love the color. It will sport a
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