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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Steve, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the compliments again on my car. I had a lot of thoughts on the painting of my car and had a lot of discussions with various paint and body shops before I picked this guy. It took 7.5 years for him to finish the job and some of that might have been me interfering to get him to do it to the extent I wanted as I understood it should be done by some other shops and people like you. I’m just trying to get an accurate description for future reference and I know looking at your BGT in Reno you do excellent work and you have a nice way of clearly explaining things. I am in awe of people like you, Steve Hanegan and Allen Bachelder who do marvelous work beyond what my skill sets are. I know there are others out there who have the same skills sets so don’t anyone take offense. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’m kind of am a person who likes to have quality things and works hard at the things I do well in order to pay someone else to do the type of job I <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>can’t achieve or don’t have the time to achieve. Maybe when I retire in the not too distant future. I like to operate things and see the 4 dimensional beauty they have.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ll try and slot the two “episodes” together for my “collection” of fix it stories.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Kirby<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Paint<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>well gosh, I think so, BUT . . . . I hope I haven't made any other bonehead mistakes like the one John caught. The thing w/painting is, there are many products and many choices. Starting with basic decisions like "single stage" or "clear coat". Marinara or Alfredo? Then, I realize I live in Calif. where things that others or you might have are not allowed here. For instance, if you clear coat, then you elimiante the color sanding and buff/polish stage. Spaghetti or Linguini? I already stated my preference when doing a vintage car: single stage, color sanded and buffed. Others will vehemently disagree, and that's fine.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I do distinctly your fantastic car at Delavan . . . beating out like what? +/- 32 cars??? You, or someone!, obviously knows what the heck they are doing. Your car is drop dead gorgeous, and a model to which the rest of us can aspire.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>#2SteveK<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:jpark@bmts.com" title="jpark@bmts.com">John Park</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net" title="zmagnette@autox.team.net">'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:44 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Zmagnette] Paint<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Steve, Does this latest missive mean more adjustments to your original discourse on painting? Being an amateur it would be nice to have the complete and accurate version so I’m/we’re not open to mis-interpretation. I really like when you “experienced” guys give a full detailed account of how to do things. I’m trying to keep some semblance of fix it history like Wray Lemke did for us back at GT35. Regards, John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a> [<a href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Kirby<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 28, 2013 11:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Paint<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>ooooops, John is absolutely right. I should have looked at my "cans" of junk before writing such a treatise. I now realize how I made that mistake. I use to use PPG DP40 epoxy sealer, and an etching stuff prior to that (a yellow/greenie looking product). Somewhere along there, the guy I work with said you really didn't need to use the etching stuff anymore, as as the DP40 would be fine without it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Then, to make matters worse "in my mind", I started using SEM and UPol "self etching primer" in spray cans, again on the advice of the same guy, when I would occassionaly sand through, or whatever, the epoxy sealer. My "guy" said that would be fine, and totally compatible with the DP40 type products (I now use a similar type product,made by TCP (which I believe is made by ValSpar, rather than the $$$$ PPG DP40, or even the PPG Omni line). Thus, somehow in the back recesses of the remnants of my withering brain, the two products somewhat merged and became "self-etching epoxy sealer". John is 100% correct, ain't no such animal. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What I will say, is that on the last 3 cars (well, 2 cars, one large truck) I have skipped the etching stage completely, and gone completely with the epoxy sealer, as the first step. Have not had one problem . . . again, on the advice of a respected auto body supplier person. Guess that is partially how I derived the "new (so new, it hasn't been invented yet!) product: self-etching epoxy sealer! Throw in the self-etching spray cans of primer, which was recommended to use on whatever bare metal areas might occur, and that completed my erroneous mental route.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The next time I attempt such a discourse, I think I best mosey up to my shop, and check the cans of stuff I'm talking about. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>#2SteveK<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:mgmagnette@aol.com" title="mgmagnette@aol.com">John Elwood</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net" title="zmagnette@autox.team.net">List for the Z Magnette Group - North America</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:18 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Zmagnette] Paint<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I've never heard of " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic sealer ". Always thought it was one or the other... Either an etch primer, or a epoxy, not both... What product is " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic sealer "? 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