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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Steve, Does this latest missive mean more adjustments to your original discourse on painting? Being an amateur it would be nice to have the complete and accurate version so I’m/we’re not open to mis-interpretation. I really like when you “experienced” guys give a full detailed account of how to do things. I’m trying to keep some semblance of fix it history like Wray Lemke did for us back at GT35. Regards, John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Kirby<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 28, 2013 11:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Paint<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>ooooops, John is absolutely right. I should have looked at my "cans" of junk before writing such a treatise. I now realize how I made that mistake. I use to use PPG DP40 epoxy sealer, and an etching stuff prior to that (a yellow/greenie looking product). Somewhere along there, the guy I work with said you really didn't need to use the etching stuff anymore, as as the DP40 would be fine without it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Then, to make matters worse "in my mind", I started using SEM and UPol "self etching primer" in spray cans, again on the advice of the same guy, when I would occassionaly sand through, or whatever, the epoxy sealer. My "guy" said that would be fine, and totally compatible with the DP40 type products (I now use a similar type product,made by TCP (which I believe is made by ValSpar, rather than the $$$$ PPG DP40, or even the PPG Omni line). Thus, somehow in the back recesses of the remnants of my withering brain, the two products somewhat merged and became "self-etching epoxy sealer". John is 100% correct, ain't no such animal. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What I will say, is that on the last 3 cars (well, 2 cars, one large truck) I have skipped the etching stage completely, and gone completely with the epoxy sealer, as the first step. Have not had one problem . . . again, on the advice of a respected auto body supplier person. Guess that is partially how I derived the "new (so new, it hasn't been invented yet!) product: self-etching epoxy sealer! Throw in the self-etching spray cans of primer, which was recommended to use on whatever bare metal areas might occur, and that completed my erroneous mental route.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The next time I attempt such a discourse, I think I best mosey up to my shop, and check the cans of stuff I'm talking about. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>#2SteveK<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:mgmagnette@aol.com" title="mgmagnette@aol.com">John Elwood</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net" title="zmagnette@autox.team.net">List for the Z Magnette Group - North America</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:18 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Zmagnette] Paint<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I've never heard of " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic sealer ". Always thought it was one or the other... Either an etch primer, or a epoxy, not both... What product is " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic sealer "? Google gives me nothing.<br>_______________________________________________<br>Zmagnette mailing list<br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/zmagnette/skirby210@cox.net">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/zmagnette/skirby210@cox.net</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></body></html>