<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I think I can Decipher the sequence. I do not have any Valspar dealers in the area I checked Friday. So I'm going with the PPG even though it's a little more expensive. My basecoat is acrylic urethane primer K 36. Does that sound right to you<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Dec 29, 2013, at 11:01 AM, "Steve Kirby" <<a href="mailto:skirby210@cox.net">skirby210@cox.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>well gosh, I think so, BUT . . . . I hope I haven't made any other bonehead
mistakes like the one John caught. The thing w/painting is, there are many
products and many choices. Starting with basic decisions like "single
stage" or "clear coat". Marinara or Alfredo? Then, I realize I live
in Calif. where things that others or you might have are not allowed here.
For instance, if you clear coat, then you elimiante the color sanding and
buff/polish stage. Spaghetti or Linguini? I already stated my
preference when doing a vintage car: single stage, color sanded and
buffed. Others will vehemently disagree, and that's fine.</div>
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<div>I do distinctly your fantastic car at Delavan . . . beating out like
what? +/- 32 cars??? You, or someone!, obviously knows what the heck
they are doing. Your car is drop dead gorgeous, and a model to which the
rest of us can aspire.</div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a title="jpark@bmts.com" href="mailto:jpark@bmts.com">John Park</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="zmagnette@autox.team.net" href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">'List for the Z Magnette Group - North
America'</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:44
AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Paint</div>
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Steve, Does this latest missive mean more adjustments to your original
discourse on painting? Being an amateur it would be nice to have the complete
and accurate version so I’m/we’re not open to mis-interpretation. I
really like when you “experienced” guys give a full detailed account of how to
do things. I’m trying to keep some semblance of fix it history like Wray Lemke
did for us back at GT35. Regards, John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a> [<a href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Kirby<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 28, 2013
11:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North
America<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette]
Paint<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ooooops, John is absolutely right. I should have
looked at my "cans" of junk before writing such a treatise. I now
realize how I made that mistake. I use to use PPG DP40 epoxy sealer, and
an etching stuff prior to that (a yellow/greenie looking product).
Somewhere along there, the guy I work with said you really didn't need to use
the etching stuff anymore, as as the DP40 would be fine without
it.<o:p></o:p></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Then, to make matters worse "in my mind", I started using
SEM and UPol "self etching primer" in spray cans, again on the advice of the
same guy, when I would occassionaly sand through, or whatever, the epoxy
sealer. My "guy" said that would be fine, and totally compatible
with the DP40 type products (I now use a similar type product,made by TCP
(which I believe is made by ValSpar, rather than the $$$$ PPG DP40, or even
the PPG Omni line). Thus, somehow in the back recesses of the remnants
of my withering brain, the two products somewhat merged and became
"self-etching epoxy sealer". John is 100% correct, ain't no such
animal. <o:p></o:p></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What I will say, is that on the last 3 cars (well, 2 cars,
one large truck) I have skipped the etching stage completely, and gone
completely with the epoxy sealer, as the first step. Have not had one
problem . . . again, on the advice of a respected auto body supplier
person. Guess that is partially how I derived the "new (so new, it
hasn't been invented yet!) product: self-etching epoxy sealer!
Throw in the self-etching spray cans of primer, which was recommended to use
on whatever bare metal areas might occur, and that completed my erroneous
mental route.<o:p></o:p></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The next time I attempt such a discourse, I think I best
mosey up to my shop, and check the cans of stuff I'm talking about.
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<p class="MsoNormal">#2SteveK<o:p></o:p></p></div></div>
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<p style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a title="mgmagnette@aol.com" href="mailto:mgmagnette@aol.com">John Elwood</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a title="zmagnette@autox.team.net" href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">List
for the Z Magnette Group - North America</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Saturday,
December 28, 2013 6:18 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re: [Zmagnette]
Paint<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've never heard of " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic
sealer ". Always thought it was one or the other... Either an etch
primer, or a epoxy, not both... What product is " self-etching, epoxy
- catalytic sealer "? Google gives me
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