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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Hanegan<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 06, 2013 8:58 PM<br>

<b>To:</b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<br>

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<div class="MsoNormal">The actual size of the paper is 16" x 24". I first made a clear (tweaking the contrast & brightness a wee bit) B/W copy on my home printer/copier then taped a copy of the wiring key to the top, then off to FedEx Office/Kinko's (I wish...)
 to enlarge 150% and laminate both sides. This whole process cost about $11 as I recall. It is clear enough to read easily yet small enough to be taped to one door of my wall cabinets. The advantages are that A) it is big enough to see, B) you can easily trace
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<div class="MsoNormal">As an ex-draughtsman (with schematic experience), I would caution anyone trying to re-draw this schematic to make sure that
<i>ALL </i>information (such as terminal designations) are caught and transferred accurately. We used to have this thing called "draftsman's humor" that would cause us to put some sneaky bit of detail into the drawing that would identify us (as artists) to
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 Brown with black trace wire that controls the interior light from the front door switches, and supply them to anyone on request for cost. Both of these details (though sadly not the correction of the wiring for the self parking wiper motor) are shown correctly
 on page N.20 of the Magnette Issue 2 (8324-5/57) copy of AKD573 WSM as being for LHD (With flashing indicators - commencing car ZB18577)</div>

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    The longest time for me to build the wiring diagram in Visio is the time to build the icons for the various components to look as much like the original diagram as possible.  Would $2.00 a copy for PDFs be too much?  That way people who want to print it
 can take the PDF to their nearest Kinko's and those who like to use a PC or tablet could use it electronically.  Also, I will need some input about what size most folks would want it to be for printing and the corrections that need to made.  I know about the
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    As I'm sitting in hotel rooms, I could reproduce the wiring diagram in Visio and color the wires in as correct a color as Visio will allow.  Then output it as a PDF file that anyone could print on either 8.5 by 11 or 11 by 17 paper.  We could even use this
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