<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://652/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I think that this actually may explain the discrepancy between the large gap in body numbers and the rather small gap in car/chassis numbers that exist between Lann's car and mine. It is my understanding that cars that were to become Varitones were shipped to Abingdon from Cowley (~6 miles) as standard ZB bodies. Abingdon would then look at the order sheets for Varitones and send the requisite number of bodies back to Cowley as painted shells. At Cowley, the rear window openings were modified (in what some refer to as a real "knife and fork" process) re-painted and sent back to Abingdon for final assembly. It stands to reason, if this is truly the case, that a Varitone body could have a build number/sequence that is quite a bit older than the non-Varitones that were right in front of and right behind a standard ZB on the final assembly line.<div><br></div><div>At any rate, this is a very interesting bit of Abingdon "old MG" lore...</div><div><br></div><div>Steve H.</div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 29, 2013, at 3:53 PM, John Park <<a href="mailto:jpark@bmts.com">jpark@bmts.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Thanks Steve. Is there such a things as a Varitone number? I seem to remember back in 1989 when I bought my Magnette I spoke with a Steve or Bob ( I don’t remember which at this point) Young in San Francisco who gave me some good info I have now misplaced. I had a thought that there is one. John<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:zmagnette-<a href="mailto:bounces@autox.team.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Google Apps Email<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:38 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG Roster<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">John,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Every Magnette that I have examined has both a body and a chassis number. As near as I can tell from my readings, the body number had significance to the Pressed Steel body plant, probably to track batches of bodies before they were despached to Abingdon for final assembly and the assignment of a chassis/car number. The body number of my Magnette is 29738, chassis number KAA41/35361 and a build date of 14 October through 17 October 1958. John Drake attempted to draw some sort of correlation between the body and chassis numbers of the MGAs when he was registrar, though I don't recall if he was successful.<br><br>Steve<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>On Nov 28, 2013, at 7:11 PM, "John Park" <<a href="mailto:jpark@bmts.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">jpark@bmts.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hi Paul,</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> Thanks for the “language” lesson. Always nice to have someone explain how others do things versus what is familiar to ourselves. What can you tell me about the body numbers? Do all Z’s have one or only the Varitones? Mine is something like 7595. I have to dig out some paperwork to find it as the problem painter failed to mask the number plate and it is very hard to decipher a number in its current state. I’m torn between leaving it as is or sanding the paint off to see the number. It is located on the driver’s side inner fender near the upper lip about 2 feet from the builder’s plate.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> John</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Paul Barrow<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:56 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG Roster</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Hi John</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">You are correct in that they are monocoque however you are incorrect in that the British Industry Motor Heritage refers to the VIN number (the KAE… bit) is referred to as the Car/Chassis Number so in a sense Allen is completely correct.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Paul</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Paul Barrow</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">153 Clemons Road</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Montesano, WA 98563 USA</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">+1 360 249 5123 Landline</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">+1 360 500 9389 Cell phone</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">+1 360 249 3776 Fax</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; "><a href="mailto:Paul.Barrow@centurytel.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">Paul.Barrow@centurytel.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>John Park<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, November 28, 2013 6:45 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG Roster</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">There is no chassis it’s a monocoque. Do you mean the serial number for the car or the body number? I’m not sure if it’s only Varitones that have body numbers or if they all have a body number. Maybe we should do engine numbers too? Just some more thoughts/questions.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Allen Bachelder<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:56 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG Roster</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Something just occurred to me - it's a question that can be answered in three ways as I see it: should we include chassis numbers in the roster? We can say yes, no, or leave it up to the members. Granted that NAMGAR does the registration aspects of ZMG, but on occasion it might be handy and/or fun to have our own casual records. Maybe, for example, we'll discover we have some sequentially-related cars. More seriously, we may discover some subtle mid-model changes that affect technical concerns. I'll propose that each of us can pursue this at his/her option, unless Mike finds a glitch in being able to include this in the data. It would be neat to be able to search our cars by chassis number. If the data is available in the roster, Mike need do nothing more, a member can simply import the data to an Excel file, allowing one to organize and search by chassis number. <o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">This may be of little concern to most of us. If so, a modest response will tell the story and I'll let it go. It's no big deal...<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Allen<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-style-span"><b><i><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">****************************************************************</span></i></b></span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><i><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Allen & Florrie Bachelder =iii=<<br>Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><i><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><i><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">North Street, MI 48049, USA</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-style-span"><b><i><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; "><a href="http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs</a></span></i></b></span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">****************************************************************</span></span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Nov 27, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Mike wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Howdy all,<br><br>That's a darn good idea, updating the Roster. The last version came out in July, so we're about due for a new one.<br><br>But I've been lax, and haven't gathered any info from most of the new members since July So, if you joined in the past half year, or you're an old-timer that never subscribed to the Roster, send me your info now. Here's what can go into it:<br><br>Your first name, middle initial, and last name.<br>Your SO's first & last name. (SO's don't get middle initials - no one has ever asked for that.)<br>Address: Street, city, state/province, postal code, country.<br>Up to two phone numbers<br>Email address<br>Special-interest cars (no 2010 Toyota Camrys, e.g.)<br>Services provided<br>Comments<br><br>Cars are recorded like so: Year, Make, Model, Color, Status<br><br>Colors are shown exterior w/ interior. For two-tone cars, it's exterior top/exterior bottom w/ interior. For an example, here's the entry for my car, an Old English White over Birch Grey Varitone with maroon interior:<br><br>Year: 1958 Make: MG Model: ZBV Color: OEW/Birch grey w/ maroon Status: Always a driver<br><br>You don't have to worry about the formatting; I'll take care of that.<br><br>For Services, people tend to write about help they can provide. Entries range from "Tools, some parts, can come out & help, limited garage space." to "Cold beer on hand at all times."<br><br>Comments can be anything else you'd care to add.<br><br>And it's all optional. One person just has his name, email address, and the line for his Magnette. Other people include all their special-interest cars (we don't list motorcycles or "regular" cars) and some history.<br><br>If you haven't already, send me your info now, while we're all still thinking of it, and I'll send out an updated roster next month.<br><br>Let me know at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:mikesmuseum@yahoo.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mikesmuseum@yahoo.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you have any questions. Please don't reply to the group and spam everyone.<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Mike Jacobsen<br><br>--------------------------------------------<br>On Wed, 11/27/13, Allen Bachelder <<a href="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">bachldrs@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>Subject: [Zmagnette] New Member<br>To: "zmagnette" <<a href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">zmagnette@autox.team.net</a>>, "John Taft" <<a href="mailto:jtaft89@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">jtaft89@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2013, 12:03 PM<br><br>Everybody... <br>... 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