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<DIV>Steve:</DIV>
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<DIV>I don't think there is any correlation between body numbers and serial
numbers. My Magnette is KALA 13 35486, only 125 cars later than
yours. The body number on mine is ZB034000, that's a 4262 delta.</DIV>
<DIV>I've noticed the same thing on my other MGs. I don't think Pressed
Steel or MG practiced FIFO.</DIV>
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<DIV>Lann</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 11/28/2013 9:39:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
steve@betterwitnesses.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>John,</DIV>
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<DIV>Every Magnette that I have examined has both a body and a chassis number.
As near as I can tell from my readings, the body number had significance to
the Pressed Steel body plant, probably to track batches of bodies before they
were despached to Abingdon for final assembly and the assignment of a
chassis/car number. The body number of my Magnette is 29738, chassis number
KAA41/35361 and a build date of 14 October through 17 October 1958. John
Drake attempted to draw some sort of correlation between the body and chassis
numbers of the MGAs when he was registrar, though I don't recall if he was
successful.<BR><BR>Steve</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Nov 28, 2013, at 7:11 PM, "John Park" <<A
title=mailto:jpark@bmts.com
href="mailto:jpark@bmts.com">jpark@bmts.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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Paul,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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Thanks for the “language” lesson. Always nice to have someone explain how
others do things versus what is familiar to ourselves. What can you tell me
about the body numbers? Do all Z’s have one or only the Varitones? Mine is
something like 7595. I have to dig out some paperwork to find it as the
problem painter failed to mask the number plate and it is very hard to
decipher a number in its current state. I’m torn between leaving it as
is or sanding the paint off to see the number. It is located on the driver’s
side inner fender near the upper lip about 2 feet from the builder’s
plate.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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title=mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net
href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</A>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Paul Barrow<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 28, 2013
9:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North
America'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG
Roster<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">You
are correct in that they are monocoque however you are incorrect in that the
British Industry Motor Heritage refers to the VIN number (the KAE… bit) is
referred to as the Car/Chassis Number so in a sense Allen is completely
correct.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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Barrow</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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Clemons Road</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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WA 98563 USA</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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360 249 5123 Landline</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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360 500 9389 Cell phone</SPAN><SPAN
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title=mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net
href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</A>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>John Park<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 28, 2013
6:45 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North
America'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG
Roster</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">There
is no chassis it’s a monocoque. Do you mean the serial number for the car or
the body number? I’m not sure if it’s only Varitones that have body numbers
or if they all have a body number. Maybe we should do engine numbers too?
Just some more thoughts/questions.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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title=mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net
href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</A>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Allen Bachelder<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 27,
2013 8:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B> List for the Z Magnette Group - North
America<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG
Roster<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Something just occurred to me - it's a question that can
be answered in three ways as I see it: should we include chassis numbers in
the roster? We can say yes, no, or leave it up to the members.
Granted that NAMGAR does the registration aspects of ZMG, but on
occasion it might be handy and/or fun to have our own casual records.
Maybe, for example, we'll discover we have some sequentially-related
cars. More seriously, we may discover some subtle mid-model changes that
affect technical concerns. I'll propose that each of us can pursue
this at his/her option, unless Mike finds a glitch in being able to include
this in the data. It would be neat to be able to search our cars by chassis
number. If the data is available in the roster, Mike need do nothing more, a
member can simply import the data to an Excel file, allowing one to
organize and search by chassis number. <O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>This may be of little concern to most of us. If so, a
modest response will tell the story and I'll let it go. It's no big
deal...<O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>Howdy all,<BR><BR>That's a
darn good idea, updating the Roster. The last version came out in July, so
we're about due for a new one.<BR><BR>But I've been lax, and haven't
gathered any info from most of the new members since July So, if you
joined in the past half year, or you're an old-timer that never subscribed
to the Roster, send me your info now. Here's what can go into
it:<BR><BR>Your first name, middle initial, and last name.<BR>Your SO's
first & last name. (SO's don't get middle initials - no one has ever
asked for that.)<BR>Address: Street, city, state/province, postal code,
country.<BR>Up to two phone numbers<BR>Email address<BR>Special-interest
cars (no 2010 Toyota Camrys, e.g.)<BR>Services
provided<BR>Comments<BR><BR>Cars are recorded like so: Year, Make, Model,
Color, Status<BR><BR>Colors are shown exterior w/ interior. For two-tone
cars, it's exterior top/exterior bottom w/ interior. For an example,
here's the entry for my car, an Old English White over Birch Grey Varitone
with maroon interior:<BR><BR>Year: 1958 Make: MG Model: ZBV
Color: OEW/Birch grey w/ maroon Status: Always a
driver<BR><BR>You don't have to worry about the formatting; I'll take care
of that.<BR><BR>For Services, people tend to write about help they can
provide. Entries range from "Tools, some parts, can come out & help,
limited garage space." to "Cold beer on hand at all
times."<BR><BR>Comments can be anything else you'd care to add.<BR><BR>And
it's all optional. One person just has his name, email address, and the
line for his Magnette. Other people include all their special-interest
cars (we don't list motorcycles or "regular" cars) and some
history.<BR><BR>If you haven't already, send me your info now, while we're
all still thinking of it, and I'll send out an updated roster next
month.<BR><BR>Let me know at <A title=mailto:mikesmuseum@yahoo.com
href="mailto:mikesmuseum@yahoo.com">mikesmuseum@yahoo.com</A> if you have
any questions. Please don't reply to the group and spam
everyone.<BR><BR>Thanks!<BR><BR>Mike
Jacobsen<BR><BR>--------------------------------------------<BR>On Wed,
11/27/13, Allen Bachelder <<A title=mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net
href="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net">bachldrs@comcast.net</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR>Subject: [Zmagnette] New Member<BR>To: "zmagnette" <<A
title=mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net
href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">zmagnette@autox.team.net</A>>,
"John Taft" <<A title=mailto:jtaft89@gmail.com
href="mailto:jtaft89@gmail.com">jtaft89@gmail.com</A>><BR>Date:
Wednesday, November 27, 2013, 12:03 PM<BR><BR>Everybody... <BR>...
Mike updates the roster twice a year and perhaps he can remind us when the
next revision is coming out.
....<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Zmagnette
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