<html><head><base href="x-msg://205/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">As far as I know, the cheapest way to do this is with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate kit. I've done it on two different Magnettes. The kit is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication necessary - but it isn't rocket science. The bit in question is the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from either Moss or Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a purpose-built version for the Magnette.<div><br></div><div>Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty darn easy. The pictures show the only modifications done to the car. Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture shows how much material was removed from the back of the shifter opening. In fact, this is more than necessary, but the third picture shows how I dealt with it. I chose not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a future owner wants to reverse the conversion. In this sense, in answer to frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmission, I actually preserved more original MG than I would have with an MG transmission. Another advantage to this approach is that the old Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring only that the front U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of course has it's own front yoke and transmission spline. </div><div><br></div><div>If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot. I did rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit its new location. The PO didn't use a tower at all.</div><div><br></div><div>One more thought. If you're undecided about the transmission choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set with a 4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9. This is an easy two-hour job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're happy with the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode in while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and while we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our interstates), they seemed remarkably unstressed. For awhile there, I started wondering why I had gone to all this effort. But then I get on the I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happy to have my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 rpm.</div><div><br></div><div>FWIW,</div><div>Allen</div><div><div>
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<br><div><div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div id="role_body" bottommargin="7" leftmargin="7" rightmargin="7" topmargin="7" bgcolor="#ffffff" style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2">As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to do. The come with everything you need and require almost no modifications to the car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember exactly what. I think that covers it all.</font><br><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2">--</font><span class="Apple-converted-space" style="font-size: 10pt; "> </span><br><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2">Sent from my Android phone with</font><span class="Apple-converted-space" style="font-size: 10pt; "> </span><a href="http://mail.com" style="font-size: 10pt; ">mail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space" style="font-size: 10pt; "> </span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2">Mail. Please excuse my brevity.</font><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2">Steve Kirby <</font><a href="mailto:skirby210@cox.net" style="font-size: 10pt; ">skirby210@cox.net</a><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2">> wrote:</font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex; "><div style="font-size: 10pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to offer up this answer, but I will anyway! One of my first, of many, mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb header set up many of us have purchased. Steve did put a full late B synchro in his. I do remember Steve describing the various things he had to do. Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay grade is much higher than mine. Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.</font></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font> </div><div style="font-size: 10pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">#2SteveK</font></div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; position: static; z-index: auto; "><div style="font-size: 10pt; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="LannM@aol.com" href="mailto:LannM@aol.com">LannM@aol.com</a></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="zmagnette@autox.team.net" href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">zmagnette@autox.team.net</a></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 AM</div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</div><div style="font-size: 10pt; "><br></div><font id="role_document" color="#000000" face="Arial"><div style="font-size: 10pt; ">Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync. Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync. The transmission tunnel is noticeably different. I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around. Even then, its still a tight fit. I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.</div><div style="font-size: 10pt; "> </div><div style="font-size: 10pt; ">I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, and probably cheaper.</div><div style="font-size: 10pt; "> </div><div style="font-size: 10pt; ">Lann </div><div style="font-size: 10pt; "> </div><div><div style="font-size: 10pt; ">In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:durningcharles@gmail.com">durningcharles@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>writes:</div><blockquote style="border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; position: static; z-index: auto; "><font color="#000000" face="Arial" style="background-color: transparent; "><div style="font-size: 10pt; ">Robert,</div><div style="font-size: 10pt; "> </div><div style="font-size: 10pt; ">I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work. It would still be too far back, not to mention the height. I was thinking about eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening on the trans where the remote attaches. I still have to get under the car and do some measuring to see if that would be close.</div><div style="font-size: 10pt; "> </div><div style="font-size: 10pt; ">It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a direct shifter. That would keep me from having to make something.</div><div style="font-size: 10pt; "> </div><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size: 10pt; "> </div><div style="font-size: 10pt; ">Charlie Durning</div><div style="font-size: 10pt; "> </div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-size: 10pt; ">On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a title="mailto:monster@caverock.net.nz" href="mailto:monster@caverock.net.nz" target="_blank">monster@caverock.net.nz</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; "><br><a title="http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website pages/Dads_Oxford.html" href="http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html" target="_blank">http://www.beardmorebros.co.<u></u>uk/website%20pages/Dads_<u></u>Oxford.html</a><br><br>On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.<br>It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, and a new tunnel.<br><br>I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed for a 3-synchro box might not be great.<br>I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? :-)<br><br>regards,<br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Robert<div class="im"><br><br>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; ">Charlie,<br>Even without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits<br>high and your going to have to substantially reshape the transmission<br>tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious price to pay for a<br>synchronized first gear. If you're going to that much trouble, you<br>might as well go five-speed.<br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></font></blockquote></div></font></blockquote></blockquote></div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2"><br></font><br></div></span></blockquote></div></div></body></html>