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    For the record:<br>
    I consulted extensively with Steve Gyles re the design and
    manufacture of the stub stacks for the MGA filter cans, since
    duplicated by Steve Ash and others; it is all documented in the UK
    board archives, though there were a number of private
    communications. What he made finally was almost exactly the design I
    suggested, less a few subtle details.<br>
    <br>
    I worked from my developed understanding from years of reading and
    observation. The specific critical detail that a 1/4" entry radius
    would give near optimum results came from Vizard's flow bench tests.
    It should be noted that Vizard was testing flow entry from free air,
    without a nearby cover plate, and also, without a backplate. One
    startling thing he found was that air is drawn from behind, or
    below, the actual pipe entry, so he used a 270 degree rollover on
    his free air stacks. Since the carb configuration and space
    limitations on MGA establish the need for a backplate, the external
    taper was chosen to reduce the effect of a backplate as much as
    possible, giving a 90 degree plus the taper rollover radius. <br>
    <br>
    It is my understanding that a cover plate should be more than 1.5x
    the bore diameter from the entry to avoid flow restriction. Systems
    with less clearance should compensate as much as possible; the
    Bristol engine, for instance, has very thin filter cans as a result
    of space limitations - and Bristol were aero experts without
    compare, so I pay attention. They used a "flow turner" stamped into
    the cover plate. Since Steve's goal was to make a drop in and look
    stock part, modifying the outside of the can was not on, so we did
    the best possible withing the space available. This meant reducing
    the thickness of the stub stack to the minimum possible to achieve
    the 1/4 radius without leaving a sharp or indeterminate edge at the
    carb bore entry, and in order to keep the entry as un-obscured by
    the cover plate as possible. Note that some of the comments in this
    thread, regarding stub stack depth versus can depth,  are totally
    out of line with this reasoning.<br>
    <br>
    I did not know that Barney had posted all that info Robert linked:
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/power/pp104.htm">http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/power/pp104.htm</a><br>
    Note that there are several more pages following this one, with dyno
    tests and driving impressions from numerous folk. A most valuable
    resource, thanks guys.<br>
    <br>
    Vizard indicates that about 5% flow improvement can be obtained with
    a 1/4" radius in his free air stacks, over a plain cut pipe. Since
    power developed is a function of air ingested, assuming reasonable
    fueling, it can be taken that power increase should be about the
    same as airflow increase. Given the various limitations (including
    the obstruction of the posts inside the MGA cans), I expected and
    hoped for maybe 4% improvement at best. Consequently, it was
    gratifying to find the measured improvements of power very near 5%,
    which leads to the question - why? The question gets bigger when we
    realize that the tested engine was not optimized for fueling, or
    even in very good tune.<br>
    <br>
    I think the key here is in the reduction of turbulence around the
    jet, and possibly its effect on the vacuum which lifts the air
    piston. Note that dyno tests are done at full throttle, so the air
    piston is almost fully up at any reasonable test point. The
    unvarying reports of improved low speed running and throttle
    response indicate that improvements are happening well below the
    maximum flow range where the expected 5% improvement lies. If you
    think about it, at low throttle openings, the entire active region
    of the carb throat is within 1/4" of the bottom edge of the bore,
    the edges of this area are even closer, and in any event, the jet is
    always in this area - this is just where we might expect turbulence
    to have the greatest ans least predictable effects. The reported
    noise reductions are also an indicator of reduced turbulence - clean
    flow does not make noise, turbulent flow does.<br>
    <br>
    The Bernoulli effect here is for pressure on a surface which has a
    fluid flowing across it, that would be the surface with the jet in
    it, and that pressure reduction is what pulls fuel into the
    airstream. If there is turbulent flow across the surface, that
    pressure drop will vary randomly, and so will fuel delivery: mixture
    will never be predictable. I expect there is room for some
    additional optimization of fueling here, which might well leads to
    further improvement in both low and high output situations.<br>
    <br>
    At the time of the first test of Steve's parts, I suggested, or
    begged, for somebody to go down to Peter Burgess and run some part
    throttle acceleration tests. Peter's dyno has trhe capability of
    measuring transient effects very quickly, and some tests with
    blocked throttle stops might have yielded some good info here.
    Unfortunately, I'm not there, and nobody seemed interested.<br>
    <br>
    I think these user reports put Kelvin's guess - "<span
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          And, for Allen and others interested in less than full
          throttle use, I'd say some attention to these details might be
          rewarded well. <br>
          <br>
          While it is not possible on the T/Z plenum to get the full max
          throttle effect, some careful radius work on the inside of the
          plenum at the carb face might well give the light throttle
          benefits the stub stacks do. What you want is as close as
          possible to a 1/4" radius on the inside face of the hole,
          especially on the air approach side and bottom, but NOT
          introducing a step to the carb bore. I might say that there is
          nothing preventing a bit of judicious radius work on the carb
          bore itself, if you also open up the plenum/filter face to
          avoid the step. In fact, one thing I was a bit concerned about
          with the folk filing out holes was that they might introduce
          such a step by making fits too sloppy - the Gyles dimensions
          are the max possible for the bore in the stub stack, without
          enlarging the carb bore.<br>
          <br>
          FRM<br>
          <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/16/2013 12:21 AM, Allen Bachelder
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:BD0640C1-A12C-47E7-8177-CEC67667BC4F@comcast.net"
      type="cite"><base href="x-msg://689/">Thanks Kelvin,
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>And I'lll look forward to the cold air intake you have in the
        works.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Then can we have a discussion about why and how cold air
        intakes work?</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Cheers,</div>
      <div>Allen<br>
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                                                          & Florrie
                                                          Bachelder    
                                                            =iii=<<br>
                                                          Spring Creek
                                                          Home for
                                                          Wayward MGs</i></b></div>
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                                                          ZB, '65 B, '69
                                                          C/GT, '73 B/GT</i></b></div>
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                                                          Street, MI
                                                          48049, USA</i></b></div>
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          <div>On Nov 15, 2013, at 6:28 PM, Kelvin Dodd wrote:</div>
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                    serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                      Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Allen.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                    serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                      Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">First
                      off they are pricey.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                    serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                      Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">There
                      are two types of stub stack available for the 1.5”
                      SU. Cast and machined. I’ve not been impressed
                      with the design of the cast ones which run about
                      $20 each. The machined ones look like they will do
                      the job, but run about $32 each.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                    serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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                      offers both types:<span
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href="http://www.aptfast.com/ListItems/SubCategory/SU%20Carburetors/Stub%20Stacks%20and%20Ram%20Pipes.aspx"
                        style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
                        ">http://www.aptfast.com/ListItems/SubCategory/SU%20Carburetors/Stub%20Stacks%20and%20Ram%20Pipes.aspx</a><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                    font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                    serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                      Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Second.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                    font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                    serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                      Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in;
                    margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                    font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                    serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                      Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">At
                      lower rpm the carburetor piston offers more flow
                      blockage than poor fluid dynamics at the air
                      filter plate. At WOT, it’s a different matter.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in;
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                    font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                    serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                      Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in;
                    margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                    font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                    serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                      Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">There
                      are no doubt all kinds of peaks and valleys in
                      fluid flow during the dynamics of accelerating and
                      cruising up to 3500 rpm. I was told by one of my
                      engineering teachers that anyone who professes to
                      be an expert on fluid flow is a liar. He stated
                      that it is still more of an art than a science and
                      a dark art at that. In fact, after receiving a
                      doctorate in the field he determined that aircraft
                      are kept in the air by smoke and mirrors because
                      the dynamic forces at work are too complex to be
                      understood by the likes of mankind.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in;
                    margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                    font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                    serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                      Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in;
                    margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                    font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                    serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                      Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">If
                      you have to run a pancake style filter, then by
                      all means use a stub stack. Before they became
                      available for the DCOE, I used to cut down the
                      standard long trumpets and braze them up into
                      short stacks. They will make some difference,
                      though I doubt it’s going to be really noticeable.
                       <o:p></o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in;
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                    font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                    serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                      Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in;
                    margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                    font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                    serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                      Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Just
                      work on the basics first.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                      Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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                    serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                      Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                      Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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                        serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
                            font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span
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                          sans-serif; "><span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                            href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net"
                            style="color: blue; text-decoration:
                            underline; ">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a><span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                            Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Allen
                          Bachelder<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b><span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
                          November 15, 2013 11:03 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>List
                          for the Z Magnette Group - North America<br>
                          <b>Subject:</b><span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                          [Zmagnette] Stub stacks<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                      font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                      serif; ">Kelvin - your point is well-taken. Are
                      you saying that even if everything else is
                      spot-on, it's still not worthwhile to mess with
                      velocity stacks for those of us who spend most of
                      our lives below 3500 rpm?<o:p></o:p></div>
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