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<DIV>are you saying my wife is inefficient?</DIV>
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<DIV>#2SteveK</DIV>
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<A title=mjamgb@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:mjamgb@sbcglobal.net">Michael
Anderson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=zmagnette@autox.team.net
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America</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 15, 2013 6:58
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Stub
stacks</DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I
respectfully disagree that more air = more noise by default. "Noise" to a
mechanical engineer (or most any engineer) is an undesireable by-product of
inefficiency, i.e. whatever is causing the noise is sapping energy from
whatever the machine is supposed to do (unless it's job is to make noise).
Having said that, stub stacks should reduce noise -all else being the same -
because the efficiency of the system is increased.<BR>
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<DIV>To that end, Allen opens up the issue of Bernoulli. In our carbs
Bernoulli is working hard for us at the piston/bridge, not the inlet throat.
Without some kind of "stack" Bernoulli is screwing with us at the carb inlet
as the "apparent" inlet diameter gets smaller due to the air having to make a
hard 90-degreee turn... turbulence is also introduced before the piston/bridge
which is not a happy thing for nice even fuel induction.<BR><BR>Those two
reasons are what makes the mixture "change" when you put a stack on. Not more
air, per se, but quality of air flow. <BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Mike!</DIV>
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<DIV>Michael Anderson<BR>One of a Kind Stuff/AEU<BR>775 772-2056</DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Arial><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
Wayne & Isabel Hardy <gwhardy@suddenlink.net><BR><B><SPAN
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America <zmagnette@autox.team.net> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, November 15, 2013 1:19
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Zmagnette]
Stub stacks<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>If the carbs are tuned again to compensate for more air to
the inlet, then more power should always be the result. If more power is
“Better”, then the answer is yes. But you must adjust for more airflow to get
a more better running motor..ie more air will need more fuel too if a result
is to be more power. Maybe a new, slightly richer needle is the ticket to
heaven. I know the K&N filter people caution that their filters flow so
much more air than the usual paper ones, that a richer needle, or jet, or
slight enrichment adjustment may be desirable for best running.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Of course all this extra air flow is also likely to create
more inlet roar under acceleration. Is that “Better” or not???</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I personally run the MGA cleaner assemblies rather than the
Magnette one for better access to the carb adjustment screws for keeping up
with summer 100 degree days now swinging to winter 50 - 60 degree days and the
resultant changes in idle speeds due to cooler, denser air, and the need to
richen the mix by about 1/8th of a turn.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>MG put on the big old ugly oil bath filter for better engine
life in a variety of dirty dusty operating situations around the world, and
for more civilized operation in a quieter manner. Their true race motors ran
with velocity stacks and no filters usually.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Wombat</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=bachldrs@comcast.net
href="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net">Allen Bachelder</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:21 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=zmagnette@autox.team.net
href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">List for the Z Magnette Group -
North America</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none">I'm
cautiously venturing beyond my paygrade here, but are we not talking about the
Bernoulli Principle: stating that as air enters a conical tube the air
pressure is maximized, but as the tube diameter conically diminishes, air
pressure decreases as air speed increases inside the carb. Without a
conical stub stack, there is no acceleration in the air entering the carb
inlet. How much lift would we get from a cross-sectionally flat airplane
wing-top with a squared-off leading edge?
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<DIV>That being said, how can the original Magnette intake plenum perform any
of this function? Same question for the intake plenums on T-series cars. I
would think they would be Bernoullian disasters. Would a Magnette engine
always run better with stub stacks rather than the original plenum?</DIV>
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<DIV>Curious in Michigan.</DIV>
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<DIV>(Allen)</DIV>
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on length it can produce a much smoother flow, some say a bit of a ram
effect which increases power and torque . Longer stacks as in longer runners
means more torque while shorter ones mean more power. Not lots, but it
all contributes to a freer flowing intake which helps your freer flowing
exhaust to make a bit more power/torque and slightly better fuel
economy. You note vintage racers usually have anywhere from2.5 to 6
inch stacks. Some with a stocking for a coarse filter, most just hoping
nothing of consequence enters the throat… I have a set of 2.25 inch stacks
in my 3.25 inch K&N’s on my MGB and they seem to help. Just the ho hum
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of 1.5" H4 stub stacks and I've tried emailing Steve Ash several times
to see if he would make some more, but I haven't got an answer from
him.<BR><BR>So... from a light scour of the internet there appears to be
two types available at a reasonable cost:<BR>$32.50 ea -<A
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href="http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT" rel=nofollow
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excluded the K&N ones as they are very rough, by all
accounts.<BR>Are there any others that people would
recommend?<BR><BR>They're going to fit inside K&N filters that are 2
1/8" thick.<BR><BR>regards,<BR>--<SPAN
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