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<DIV><FONT size=4>Well funny thing is that several automotive engineers and
motor builders have done a lot of work with flow benches and the like, (D.
Vizard for one) and have shown that these properly built Velocity stacks will
INCREASE flow into the carb mouth..ie allow MORE air in, not just smooth it out.
I don’t have my flow measuring devices any more, but don’t question what the
engineering elves like David Vizard say on this matter.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mjamgb@sbcglobal.net
href="mailto:mjamgb@sbcglobal.net">Michael Anderson</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 15, 2013 8:58 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=zmagnette@autox.team.net
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America</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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respectfully disagree that more air = more noise by default. "Noise" to a
mechanical engineer (or most any engineer) is an undesireable by-product of
inefficiency, i.e. whatever is causing the noise is sapping energy from whatever
the machine is supposed to do (unless it's job is to make noise). Having said
that, stub stacks should reduce noise -all else being the same - because the
efficiency of the system is increased.<BR>
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<DIV>To that end, Allen opens up the issue of Bernoulli. In our carbs Bernoulli
is working hard for us at the piston/bridge, not the inlet throat. Without some
kind of "stack" Bernoulli is screwing with us at the carb inlet as the
"apparent" inlet diameter gets smaller due to the air having to make a hard
90-degreee turn... turbulence is also introduced before the piston/bridge which
is not a happy thing for nice even fuel induction.<BR><BR>Those two reasons are
what makes the mixture "change" when you put a stack on. Not more air, per se,
but quality of air flow. <BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Mike!</DIV>
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<DIV>Michael Anderson<BR>One of a Kind Stuff/AEU<BR>775 772-2056</DIV>
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Wayne & Isabel Hardy <gwhardy@suddenlink.net><BR><B><SPAN
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America <zmagnette@autox.team.net> <BR><B><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT size=4>If the carbs are tuned again to compensate for more air to the
inlet, then more power should always be the result. If more power is “Better”,
then the answer is yes. But you must adjust for more airflow to get a more
better running motor..ie more air will need more fuel too if a result is to be
more power. Maybe a new, slightly richer needle is the ticket to heaven. I know
the K&N filter people caution that their filters flow so much more air than
the usual paper ones, that a richer needle, or jet, or slight enrichment
adjustment may be desirable for best running.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Of course all this extra air flow is also likely to create
more inlet roar under acceleration. Is that “Better” or not???</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I personally run the MGA cleaner assemblies rather than the
Magnette one for better access to the carb adjustment screws for keeping up with
summer 100 degree days now swinging to winter 50 - 60 degree days and the
resultant changes in idle speeds due to cooler, denser air, and the need to
richen the mix by about 1/8th of a turn.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>MG put on the big old ugly oil bath filter for better engine
life in a variety of dirty dusty operating situations around the world, and for
more civilized operation in a quieter manner. Their true race motors ran with
velocity stacks and no filters usually.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=bachldrs@comcast.net
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ymailto="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net">Allen Bachelder</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:21 PM</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none; DISPLAY: inline">I'm
cautiously venturing beyond my paygrade here, but are we not talking about the
Bernoulli Principle: stating that as air enters a conical tube the air pressure
is maximized, but as the tube diameter conically diminishes, air pressure
decreases as air speed increases inside the carb. Without a conical stub
stack, there is no acceleration in the air entering the carb inlet. How
much lift would we get from a cross-sectionally flat airplane wing-top with a
squared-off leading edge?
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<DIV>That being said, how can the original Magnette intake plenum perform any of
this function? Same question for the intake plenums on T-series cars. I would
think they would be Bernoullian disasters. Would a Magnette engine always
run better with stub stacks rather than the original plenum?</DIV>
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<DIV>Curious in Michigan.</DIV>
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<DIV>(Allen)</DIV>
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on length it can produce a much smoother flow, some say a bit of a ram effect
which increases power and torque . Longer stacks as in longer runners means
more torque while shorter ones mean more power. Not lots, but it all
contributes to a freer flowing intake which helps your freer flowing exhaust
to make a bit more power/torque and slightly better fuel economy. You
note vintage racers usually have anywhere from2.5 to 6 inch stacks. Some with
a stocking for a coarse filter, most just hoping nothing of consequence enters
the throat… I have a set of 2.25 inch stacks in my 3.25 inch K&N’s on my
MGB and they seem to help. Just the ho hum stock setup on my
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everyone,<BR><BR>I'd like to get a pair of 1.5" H4 stub stacks and I've
tried emailing Steve Ash several times to see if he would make some more,
but I haven't got an answer from him.<BR><BR>So... from a light scour of
the internet there appears to be two types available at a reasonable
cost:<BR>$32.50 ea -<A style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20Stack%20SU%20HS4.aspx"
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excluded the K&N ones as they are very rough, by all accounts.<BR>Are
there any others that people would recommend?<BR><BR>They're going to fit
inside K&N filters that are 2 1/8" thick.<BR><BR>regards,<BR>--<SPAN
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