<html><head><base href="x-msg://575/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I'm cautiously venturing beyond my paygrade here, but are we not talking about the Bernoulli Principle: stating that as air enters a conical tube the air pressure is maximized, but as the tube diameter conically diminishes, air pressure decreases as air speed increases inside the carb. Without a conical stub stack, there is no acceleration in the air entering the carb inlet. How much lift would we get from a cross-sectionally flat airplane wing-top with a squared-off leading edge?<div><br></div><div>That being said, how can the original Magnette intake plenum perform any of this function? Same question for the intake plenums on T-series cars. I would think they would be Bernoullian disasters. Would a Magnette engine always run better with stub stacks rather than the original plenum?</div><div><br></div><div>Curious in Michigan.</div><div><br></div><div>(Allen)</div><div><div>
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<br><div><div>On Nov 13, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Park wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Depending on length it can produce a much smoother flow, some say a bit of a ram effect which increases power and torque . Longer stacks as in longer runners means more torque while shorter ones mean more power. Not lots, but it all contributes to a freer flowing intake which helps your freer flowing exhaust to make a bit more power/torque and slightly better fuel economy. You note vintage racers usually have anywhere from2.5 to 6 inch stacks. Some with a stocking for a coarse filter, most just hoping nothing of consequence enters the throat… I have a set of 2.25 inch stacks in my 3.25 inch K&N’s on my MGB and they seem to help. Just the ho hum stock setup on my Magnette.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Richard Greenberg<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:34 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">What is a stub stack? Would it allow for a filter that lies closer to the engine than a regular pancake filter?<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Allen Bachelder wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I've always just used the item #54 from the Moss catalog:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=28996#top" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=28996#top</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> Are these from APT or Rimmer better?<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Always anxious to learn...<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Allen<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-style-span"><b><i><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; 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text-decoration: underline; ">monster@caverock.net.nz</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Hi everyone,<br><br>I'd like to get a pair of 1.5" H4 stub stacks and I've tried emailing Steve Ash several times to see if he would make some more, but I haven't got an answer from him.<br><br>So... from a light scour of the internet there appears to be two types available at a reasonable cost:<br>$32.50 ea -<a href="http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20Stack%20SU%20HS4.aspx" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20Stack%20SU%20HS4.aspx</a><br>$57 pair -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT</a><br><br>I've excluded the K&N ones as they are very rough, by all accounts.<br>Are there any others that people would recommend?<br><br>They're going to fit inside K&N filters that are 2 1/8" thick.<br><br>regards,<br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Robert (in NZ)<br>_______________________________________________<br>Zmagnette mailing list<br><br>Donate:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/archive" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>Forums:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/forums" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/zmagnette/bachldrs@comcast.net" style="color: blue; 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