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WA so if it is broke he may be able to fix it, on the other hand it could be
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zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>jenntoo@shaw.ca<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 11, 2013
7:00 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> List for the Z Magnette Group
- North America<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Zmagnette] Engine
Clatter & pressure drop</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:13.5pt'>Easy to tell if it is a broken crank. Take off or
loosen the fan belt and see if you can easily move the crankshaft pulley a few
degrees in either direction. If you can the crank is almost certainly
broken. The "T" series cranks break whether the engine has been
recently rebuilt or not and breakage appears independant of the engine overall
condition. The thought is that a harmonic vibration sets up in the crank
at about 4100 rpm and finally fatigues the crank and it breaks. With the
stump pulling 5.125 rear ratio 4100 rpm is around 60mph. Do yourself a
favour and change the ratio to 4.3:1.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:13.5pt'> I broke one in the late 60's
Picked up a used crank for $25 from a Worseley 4/44, had it ground, picked up a
complete set of bearings, pulled the motor, took off the pan and installed the
4/44 crank. Nothing else was done. After I had the parts this was
done in less than one day and I drove the car for 10 years without any
problem-mostly in the city of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Sydney
OZ.</st1:place></st1:City></span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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Hugh Pite</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net" title="bachldrs@comcast.net">Allen Bachelder</a>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net" title="zmagnette@autox.team.net">List
for the Z Magnette Group - North America</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday, November
11, 2013 6:12 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [Zmagnette]
Engine Clatter & pressure drop<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>OK, 5# oil pressure tells you it's hemorrhaging some place If
it's a bearing, why should just one bearing catastrophically fail? I
rather like the broken crankshaft theory. A friend of mine had that
happen recently with his TF. As to repair, you can always get by for some time
with a minimalist approach if you don't drive it too hard or too much. If
all you do is take it out on 40 mph club tours - about 500 miles per year, then
that might be OK. If you want it right, do what it takes to make it right.
You may have to pull and disassemble quite a bit before you have your
answer - and by that time, it will not make economic sense to put it back
together with a minimal repair. Most of us don't want to go this way more
than once... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>OTOH, a friend had to shut his TD down in <st1:State w:st="on">Kansas</st1:State>
on the Rallye to <st1:City w:st="on">Reno</st1:City> due to a horrible clatter
that, after a tow back to <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Michigan</st1:place></st1:State>,
turned out to be valve gear banging on an ill-centered valve cover! Of course
that was not associated with a loss of oil pressure...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Still plenty of oil. After I stopped, I restarted the engine to
drive it slowly a few hundred feet to a safe spot off the highway. The
engine has never been rebuilt to my knowledge, but who knows its history? I
have owned it about 15 years. It has always run fine, although not super peppy.
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If it proves to be a bearing, does one just fix the offending bearing, or is it
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I haven't had time to look at the rockers or the bearings.<br>
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course of action. Sorry for stating the obvious, but there is still
plenty of oil in there, right? If something failed causing all the
oil to pour out on that hill, you would have a sudden drop in oil pressure and
a whole lot of clatter. What is the state of this engine? Recent
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Magnette, to our British car club's annual BBQ. About 25 miles out,
running at about 50 mph uphill but not too hot, the engine started clattering
and the oil pressure suddenly dropped to about 5 psi. I had the poor car
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