<div><div dir="auto">Go and download the latest MV 11 - photos are no longer required.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">J</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 2:28 PM Kevin Dadey via Wpta <<a href="mailto:wpta@autox.team.net">wpta@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-181001285217412788ydp25cc9cb4yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>Since we are talking about Antique plates, I have a question. I'm planning to apply for Antique plates and noted the MV-11 form mentions 4 prequired photos - one from each side and front and back. Obviously. </div><div>It also states if the car is convertible, the top must be up. Ugh. I have a top which has been removed and requires some fittings and is likely to be a bit of a struggle. I don't really plan to use it. Really needs replaced but I'd rather spend money on other more pressing needs. Also the previous owner replaced the exhaust with a 2-pipe, 4-tipped Monza. Has anyone had trouble with approval because of photos other than Bill, or a modified exhaust? </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks in advance,</div><div>Kevin </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="m_-181001285217412788ydp25cc9cb4signature"><div style="font-size:13px"><div><br></div><br></div></div></div>
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On Monday, January 28, 2019, 12:20:51 PM EST, Ross, Lawrence via Wpta <<a href="mailto:wpta@autox.team.net" target="_blank">wpta@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:
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<p>Being in the Risk Management Business, there is NO stipulation that limits driving during night hours on any of the following plates:</p>
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<p> 1) Antique</p>
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<p> 2) Historic</p>
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<p> 3) Classic</p>
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<p>The "official recommendation" is that you do not drive after dark on due to the lack of "lighting technology".</p>
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<p>However, it is NOT illegal to drive after dark.</p>
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<div>Bill. I agree on PENNDOT staff not knowing or adding their two cents
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<div>They scary part is our insurance companies use a “ loophole “ to avoid coverage </div>
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<div>I’m going to try to get clarification from PENNDOT</div>
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<div>Penndot is so random that you are likely to get any answer on any given day depending on who you talk to.</div>
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<div>Back when photos were required, I had applications bounced because of:</div>
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<div>I actually resubmitted the photos with the person in the car to see what would happen, and a week later I got my plate. Go figure.</div>
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<div>If you can find in writing within the vehicle code that antique plates are not valid after dark, please let us know what section.</div>
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<div>I did up a 1941 Ford in the mid 1980's. I had a good friend who was a State Trooper at the time who ran it up his chain of command. "If you want to drive legally after dark, make sure you have two taillights, turn signals, and sealed beam headlights".
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<div>Or just go with Classic and keep going in for inspections each year.</div>
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<div>The lady on desk told her that was difference between plates</div>
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<div>I looked into the after dark driving in PA in the past, and this statement "used" to be there....</div>
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<div><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(106,106,106)">Antique</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(84,84,84)"> vehicles operated exclusively between sunrise and </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(106,106,106)">sunset</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(84,84,84)"> are
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<div><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(84,84,84)">requirements of the </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(106,106,106)">Pennsylvania</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(84,84,84)"> Vehicle
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<div>It looks that that statement has now even been removed from the code, as I am unable to find</div>
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<div>Here is what I think is the current document that mentions nothing about driving after dark..</div>
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<div> <b>USE OF ANTIQUE, CLASSIC AND VINTAGE REGISTRATION PLATES The use of antique, classic and vintage registration plates is governed by Section 1340 of the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code, which states: “It is unlawful for any person to operate a motorcycle
or vehicle with antique, classic or vintage registration plates for general daily transportation. Permitted use shall be limited to participation in club activities, exhibits, tours, parades, occasional transportation and similar uses.” Occasional transportation
and similar uses are defined as no more than one day a week. Although buses and trucks are eligible for antique, classic and vintage registration plates, buses MAY NOT be used to transport passengers and trucks MAY NOT haul cargo. Antique, classic and vintage
registration plates are not available for motorized pedalcycles or motor homes.</b> </div>
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<div>If PA law says can’t drive after dark, does your insurance company still cover you if you do ?</div>
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<div>Mine is American Modern and they say they go by each States restrictions / guidelines </div>
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<div>I would not be covered when driving in dark hours in PA</div>
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