[WPTA] Dzus meeting

Ross, Lawrence LawrenceRoss at allstate.com
Mon Jan 28 11:25:50 MST 2019 

Kevin -



Exhaust System - We both have the same exhaust system - not a problem.



Top - my top NEVER goes up.



Larry Ross



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Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 1:21 PM
To: rroenigk at aol.com; xj61975 at aol.com; Ross, Lawrence
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Subject: [External] Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting

Hello,

Since we are talking about Antique plates, I have a question. I'm planning to apply for Antique plates and noted the MV-11 form mentions 4 prequired photos - one from each side and front and back. Obviously.
It also states if the car is convertible, the top must be up. Ugh. I have a top which has been removed and requires some fittings and is likely to be a bit of a struggle. I don't really plan to use it. Really needs replaced but I'd rather spend money on other more pressing needs. Also the previous owner replaced the exhaust with a 2-pipe, 4-tipped Monza. Has anyone had trouble with approval because of photos other than Bill, or a modified exhaust?

Thanks in advance,
Kevin






On Monday, January 28, 2019, 12:20:51 PM EST, Ross, Lawrence via Wpta <wpta at autox.team.net> wrote:



OK Kiddies -



Being in the Risk Management Business, there is NO stipulation that limits driving during night hours on any of the following plates:



    1) Antique



    2) Historic



    3) Classic



The "official recommendation" is that you do not drive after dark on due to the lack of "lighting technology".



However, it is NOT illegal to drive after dark.



Larry Ross



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(412) 780-8495 - cell
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Subject: [External] Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting

Bill. I agree on PENNDOT staff not knowing or adding their two cents

They scary part is our insurance companies use a “ loophole “ to avoid coverage

I’m going to try to get clarification from PENNDOT

Thx

Rich R

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On Monday, January 28, 2019, xj61975 at aol.com <xj61975 at aol.com> wrote:

Believe what you want, Rich.

Penndot is so random that you are likely to get any answer on any given day depending on who you talk to.

Back when photos were required, I had applications bounced because of:

-a person sitting in the car
-front window was down
-license plate visible and "was not original to the car"

I actually resubmitted the photos with the person in the car to see what would happen, and a week later I got my plate. Go figure.

If you can find in writing within the vehicle code that antique plates are not valid after dark, please let us know what section.

I did up a 1941 Ford in the mid 1980's. I had a good friend who was a State Trooper at the time who ran it up his chain of command.  "If you want to drive legally after dark, make sure you have two taillights, turn signals, and sealed beam headlights". That was good enough for me.

Or just go with Classic and keep going in for inspections each year.

Thanks,

Bill




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Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting

Bill.  I had a friend went to PENNDOT last week

The lady on desk told her that was difference between plates

And insurance company may not insure you

You would think they know


Would like to get in writing from PENNDOT

Thx

Rich R

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Even before any recent changes, there is no restriction to drive an antique registered car in PA after dark as long as you lighting meets current standards. This has been true for at least the last 25 years if not longer. Many people do not understand this and stick with Classic plates.

Bill Cooper


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I looked into the after dark driving in PA in the past, and this statement "used" to be there....

Antique vehicles operated exclusively between sunrise and sunset are exempt from the normal lighting
requirements of the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code, but must have their original lighting equipment.

It looks that that statement has now even been removed from the code, as I am unable to find
it anyplace on PennDot documents...

Here is what I think is the current document that mentions nothing about driving after dark..

  USE OF ANTIQUE, CLASSIC AND VINTAGE REGISTRATION PLATES The use of antique, classic and vintage registration plates is governed by Section 1340 of the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code, which states: “It is unlawful for any person to operate a motorcycle or vehicle with antique, classic or vintage registration plates for general daily transportation. Permitted use shall be limited to participation in club activities, exhibits, tours, parades, occasional transportation and similar uses.” Occasional transportation and similar uses are defined as no more than one day a week. Although buses and trucks are eligible for antique, classic and vintage registration plates, buses MAY NOT be used to transport passengers and trucks MAY NOT haul cargo. Antique, classic and vintage registration plates are not available for motorized pedalcycles or motor homes.

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My Thoughts...
Happy Sunday :-)

Joe






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Subject for discussion

Antique Tags

If PA law says can’t drive after dark, does your insurance company still cover you if you do ?

Mine is American Modern and they say they go by each States restrictions / guidelines

I would not be covered when driving in dark hours in PA

Appreciate any feedback

Thx

Rich R

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