From mark at bradakis.com Thu Sep 10 01:39:35 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:39:35 -0600 Subject: [VTR] Goodnight, list? Message-ID: <4AA8AD37.908@bradakis.com> Is there any reason to keep vtr at autox.team.net around? Does it serve a purpose not met by the forums on the VTR website? mjb the list janitor. From pethier at comcast.net Thu Sep 10 08:04:54 2009 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [VTR] Goodnight, list? In-Reply-To: <399785742.4853961252590667292.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <871572526.4859171252591494297.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> ----- "Mark J Bradakis" wrote: > Is there any reason to keep vtr at autox.team.net around? Does it serve > a > purpose > not met by the forums on the VTR website? What? There are fora on the VTR website? I get my VTR news on triumphs at autox.team.net I prefer email lists to fora. I can't remember to go around to all the fora all the time. Email comes to me. OK, so I'm a reactive person. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L 1979 Caterham 7 1993 Suburban 1994 Miata C-package 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://forum.mnautox.com/forums http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Sep 10 09:57:37 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:57:37 -0700 Subject: [VTR] Goodnight, list? In-Reply-To: <4AA8AD37.908@bradakis.com> References: <4AA8AD37.908@bradakis.com> Message-ID: > Is there any reason to keep vtr at autox.team.net around? Does it serve a > purpose > not met by the forums on the VTR website? Well, let's see. Looks like there have been only about 6 posts to the VTR list in the previous 12 months. Most of those don't seem to have much to do with club business. By contrast, the forum that VTR has set up to discuss "All Things VTR" has had nearly 90 posts in the past 12 months. I'd have to say that IMO, although VTR at Autox.Team.Net definitely served a valuable purpose in the past, it's time to retire it. Ok, so who is going to take up the collection to present MJB with a suitable token of our gratitude for his long and (mostly) uncomplaining service as Listmeister? In case anyone is not aware, the VTR forums can be found at http://www.vintagetriumphregister.org/forum/index.php There is an email notification facility, but it does not include the text of the post; only the title. You have to go to the web forum to read the body of the post. -- Randall From mark at bradakis.com Thu Sep 10 11:59:12 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:59:12 -0600 Subject: [VTR] Goodnight, list? In-Reply-To: References: <4AA8AD37.908@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4AA93E70.4060702@bradakis.com> Randall wrote: > Ok, so who is going to take up the collection to present MJB with a suitable > token of our gratitude for his long and (mostly) uncomplaining service as > Listmeister? > Actually I did get a check from VTR some years ago in appreciation of my services. It was about the time that the 'supported in part by VTR' line appeared in all the Triumph related lists. And yes, I am a fairly patient person and try not to whine too much. Lately it has been harder to do so, the pain in my back from the shingles has made me grumpier than usual. So it goes. mjb. From StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org Thu Sep 10 14:09:37 2009 From: StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org (Glenn A. Merrell - TSN) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:09:37 -0600 Subject: [VTR] Goodnight, list? In-Reply-To: References: <4AA8AD37.908@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4AA95D01.7060005@triumphstagclub.org> I think VTR has been subsidizing the various autox VTR lists for many years. But since VTR now has their own email and forum set up on their own servers, there probably is no need to duplicate this unless it is set up as a mirror site. BTW Phil, you can set the Forum (fora?) to email you when any topic is replied to. You do not have to visit the forum to read all the posts. All you need to do is put a check mark in the topic option to "notify you of replies". So you can have the best of both the email and the forum, get instant emails you can react to, and the forum to search information quickly. Cheers! -- Glenn Merrell TSN Admin http://www.triumphstag.net mailto:StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org Randall wrote: >> Is there any reason to keep vtr at autox.team.net around? Does it serve a >> purpose >> not met by the forums on the VTR website? >> > > Well, let's see. Looks like there have been only about 6 posts to the VTR > list in the previous 12 months. Most of those don't seem to have much to do > with club business. > > By contrast, the forum that VTR has set up to discuss "All Things VTR" has > had nearly 90 posts in the past 12 months. > > I'd have to say that IMO, although VTR at Autox.Team.Net definitely served a > valuable purpose in the past, it's time to retire it. > > Ok, so who is going to take up the collection to present MJB with a suitable > token of our gratitude for his long and (mostly) uncomplaining service as > Listmeister? > > In case anyone is not aware, the VTR forums can be found at > http://www.vintagetriumphregister.org/forum/index.php > > There is an email notification facility, but it does not include the text of > the post; only the title. You have to go to the web forum to read the body > of the post. > > -- Randall From mark at bradakis.com Thu Sep 10 22:48:41 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:48:41 -0600 Subject: [VTR] Goodnight, list? In-Reply-To: <4AA95D01.7060005@triumphstagclub.org> References: <4AA8AD37.908@bradakis.com> <4AA95D01.7060005@triumphstagclub.org> Message-ID: <4AA9D6A9.2050209@bradakis.com> Glenn A. Merrell - TSN wrote: > I think VTR has been subsidizing the various autox VTR lists for many > years. Well, I don't know if one check some time ago qualifies as subsidizing for many years, but I do appreciate what support I have gotten in various forms from VTR. I did manage to make 12 conventions in a row, then one or two here and there, but nothing lately. I do wish I was heading to SLO for this year's meet, but such is not to be. So it goes. To those of you you will be there, enjoy! mjb. From jibjib at att.net Thu Sep 10 23:31:27 2009 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:31:27 -0700 Subject: [VTR] Goodnight, list? In-Reply-To: <4AA8AD37.908@bradakis.com> References: <4AA8AD37.908@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <2C47F80C4E834CD7B701CAEC3A82F1F9@hpa1477c> Yes, given the lack of traffic and the redundancy, I see no reason to continue it. Jack -----Original Message----- From: vtr-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:vtr-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:40 AM To: vtr at autox.team.net Subject: [VTR] Goodnight, list? Is there any reason to keep vtr at autox.team.net around? Does it serve a purpose not met by the forums on the VTR website? mjb the list janitor. This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register http://www.vtr.org You are recieving this at jibjib at att.net Vtr at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vtr http://www.team.net/archive From StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org Fri Sep 11 11:58:35 2009 From: StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org (Glenn A. Merrell - TSN) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:58:35 -0600 Subject: [VTR] Goodnight, list? In-Reply-To: <4AA9D6A9.2050209@bradakis.com> References: <4AA8AD37.908@bradakis.com> <4AA95D01.7060005@triumphstagclub.org> <4AA9D6A9.2050209@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4AAA8FCB.5030509@triumphstagclub.org> Certainly if VTR has only put up one support check a while back, I'd say their use for the list is long past. I know it came in very useful way back when I was VTR Webmaster so we did not have to do a mail list server on Ken Streeter's server. VTR is having their board meeting at SLO on the 30th of September so maybe have Blake and the new VTR Webmaster bring the issue up to the board to see if they will want to support the autox VTR mail server lists, and see if they will do an annual support for all the other autox Triumph related lists? I'd like to see the lists go a bit more real time social networks, somewhat like Facebook or Twitter, but without the superfluous chitchat. Sort of like, " Hey, I have this part in my hand, it looks like {this photo embeded}. Anyone know which way round it goes?" And 5 minutes later or less you get a response ... "Yeah Mate, the end you have your thumb on goes on first. And BTW, here is a link to Club 4's video on the installation {click and view the video}." I mean in a year or two more, the collective Triumph community can be effectively linked anywhere round the world with a Smart Phone and the right server. The Shape of Things to Come? -- Glenn Merrell TSN Admin http://www.triumphstag.net mailto:StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Glenn A. Merrell - TSN wrote: >> I think VTR has been subsidizing the various autox VTR lists for many >> years. > > Well, I don't know if one check some time ago qualifies as subsidizing > for many > years, but I do appreciate what support I have gotten in various forms > from VTR. > > I did manage to make 12 conventions in a row, then one or two here > and there, > but nothing lately. I do wish I was heading to SLO for this year's > meet, but such > is not to be. So it goes. To those of you you will be there, enjoy! > > mjb. From bdischer at blakedischer.com Fri Sep 11 13:02:04 2009 From: bdischer at blakedischer.com (Blake J. Discher) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:02:04 -0400 Subject: [VTR] Goodnight, list? In-Reply-To: <4AAA8FCB.5030509@triumphstagclub.org> References: <4AA8AD37.908@bradakis.com> <4AA95D01.7060005@triumphstagclub.org> <4AA9D6A9.2050209@bradakis.com> <4AAA8FCB.5030509@triumphstagclub.org> Message-ID: <58433BCD-6989-4444-8029-284391F83626@blakedischer.com> Gents, I emailed Mark yesterday morning to suggest he shut it down. Cheers, Blake On Sep 11, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Glenn A. Merrell - TSN wrote: > Certainly if VTR has only put up one support check a while back, I'd > say their use for the list is long past. > > I know it came in very useful way back when I was VTR Webmaster so > we did not have to do a mail list server on Ken Streeter's server. > > VTR is having their board meeting at SLO on the 30th of September so > maybe have Blake and the new VTR Webmaster bring the issue up to the > board to see if they will want to support the autox VTR mail server > lists, and see if they will do an annual support for all the other > autox Triumph related lists? > > I'd like to see the lists go a bit more real time social networks, > somewhat like Facebook or Twitter, but without the superfluous > chitchat. Sort of like, > > " Hey, I have this part in my hand, it looks like {this photo > embeded}. Anyone know which way round it goes?" > > And 5 minutes later or less you get a response ... > > "Yeah Mate, the end you have your thumb on goes on first. And BTW, > here is a link to Club 4's video on the installation {click and view > the video}." > > I mean in a year or two more, the collective Triumph community can > be effectively linked anywhere round the world with a Smart Phone > and the right server. > > The Shape of Things to Come? > > -- > Glenn Merrell > TSN Admin > http://www.triumphstag.net > mailto:StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org > > > > Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> Glenn A. Merrell - TSN wrote: >>> I think VTR has been subsidizing the various autox VTR lists for >>> many years. >> >> Well, I don't know if one check some time ago qualifies as >> subsidizing for many >> years, but I do appreciate what support I have gotten in various >> forms from VTR. >> >> I did manage to make 12 conventions in a row, then one or two here >> and there, >> but nothing lately. I do wish I was heading to SLO for this year's >> meet, but such >> is not to be. So it goes. To those of you you will be there, enjoy! >> >> mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register > http://www.vtr.org > > You are recieving this at bdischer at blakedischer.com > > Vtr at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vtr > > http://www.team.net/archive ________________________________________________________________________ Blake J. Discher Firefly Studios, LLC | go-seo.com http://www.fireflystudios.com | http://www.go-seo.com P 313.259.4460 | F 313.447.4100 Twitter: bdischer | Facebook: Blake-Discher From StagHunter at comcast.net Fri Sep 11 15:10:24 2009 From: StagHunter at comcast.net (Wayne Simpson) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:10:24 -0400 Subject: [VTR] Goodnight, list? In-Reply-To: <58433BCD-6989-4444-8029-284391F83626@blakedischer.com> References: <4AA8AD37.908@bradakis.com> <4AA95D01.7060005@triumphstagclub.org> <4AA9D6A9.2050209@bradakis.com> <4AAA8FCB.5030509@triumphstagclub.org> <58433BCD-6989-4444-8029-284391F83626@blakedischer.com> Message-ID: <4AAABCC0.1060905@comcast.net> Blake J. Discher wrote: > Gents, > > I emailed Mark yesterday morning to suggest he shut it down. > > Cheers, > Blake > > > On Sep 11, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Glenn A. Merrell - TSN wrote: >> >> The Shape of Things to Come? The Shape of Things that Came, and Went... _______________________________________________________________________ Wayne Simpson StagHunter at comcast.net 1973 Triumph Stag #LE 21416 U Carmine Red, Saddle Tan 1980 Triumph TR7 TPVDJ8AT202532 Inca Yellow, Golden Tan Check Lover of Triumph's 3 bastard Brick Township, NJ sons: TR7 - TR8 - STAG _______________________________________________________________________ From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Sep 11 15:43:08 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:43:08 -0700 Subject: [VTR] Goodnight, list? In-Reply-To: <4AAA8FCB.5030509@triumphstagclub.org> References: <4AA8AD37.908@bradakis.com><4AA95D01.7060005@triumphstagclub.org> <4AA9D6A9.2050209@bradakis.com> <4AAA8FCB.5030509@triumphstagclub.org> Message-ID: <9D44F46454094C618BA1833AB2CBA833@jdnet.deere.com> > I mean in a year or two more, the collective Triumph community can be > effectively linked anywhere round the world with a Smart Phone and the > right server. I dunno, Glenn. I mean, the WWW has only been around for what, 15 years? And there are still significant numbers of Triumph enthusiasts that don't like to use it (as shown by some of the replies to Mark's initial post). I think it's going to take a long time to get a significant number of people willing to be linked to the TR community by smart phone. > The Shape of Things to Come? Eventually ... -- Randall From mark at bradakis.com Fri Sep 11 19:59:25 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:59:25 -0600 Subject: [VTR] Goodnight, list? In-Reply-To: <4AAA8FCB.5030509@triumphstagclub.org> References: <4AA8AD37.908@bradakis.com> <4AA95D01.7060005@triumphstagclub.org> <4AA9D6A9.2050209@bradakis.com> <4AAA8FCB.5030509@triumphstagclub.org> Message-ID: <4AAB007D.8080207@bradakis.com> > I'd like to see the lists go a bit more real time social networks, > somewhat like Facebook or Twitter, but without the superfluous > chitchat. Sort of like, > > " Hey, I have this part in my hand, it looks like {this photo > embeded}. Anyone know which way round it goes?" > > And 5 minutes later or less you get a response ... > > "Yeah Mate, the end you have your thumb on goes on first. And BTW, > here is a link to Club 4's video on the installation {click and view > the video}." > People can do that now, the triumph forum at http://www.team.net/forums allows pictures. And clickable links can be embedded in not only the forum, but in plain text email as well. Look at all the links at the bottom of this message. [*] I've had such capability set up in various guises for years. But nobody uses it, so nobody uses it. Most folks want to keep doing it they way they've been doing it for the last 20 or so years I've kept Team.Net on the air. mjb. *: There's a link to the mailman page where folks can set their preferences for list delivery and such. It has been I don't remember how long since I've started switching lists from majordomo to mailman, but there are still folks who try to use majordomo to manage their subscriptions. You can lead a horse to water .... mjb. From StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org Fri Sep 11 21:36:16 2009 From: StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org (Glenn A. Merrell - TSN) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:36:16 -0600 Subject: [VTR] [TR] Goodnight, list? In-Reply-To: <4AAB007D.8080207@bradakis.com> References: <4AA8AD37.908@bradakis.com> <4AA95D01.7060005@triumphstagclub.org> <4AA9D6A9.2050209@bradakis.com> <4AAA8FCB.5030509@triumphstagclub.org> <4AAB007D.8080207@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4AAB1730.2060703@triumphstagclub.org> I guess one of those tools in the toolbox I never knew was there! I'll have to get it out of the toolbox and dust it off! -- Glenn Merrell TSN Admin http://www.triumphstag.net mailto:StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> I'd like to see the lists go a bit more real time social networks, >> somewhat like Facebook or Twitter, but without the superfluous >> chitchat. Sort of like, >> >> " Hey, I have this part in my hand, it looks like {this photo >> embeded}. Anyone know which way round it goes?" >> >> And 5 minutes later or less you get a response ... >> >> "Yeah Mate, the end you have your thumb on goes on first. And BTW, >> here is a link to Club 4's video on the installation {click and view >> the video}." >> > People can do that now, the triumph forum at > http://www.team.net/forums allows pictures. And > clickable links can be embedded in not only the forum, but in plain > text email as well. Look at > all the links at the bottom of this message. [*] > > I've had such capability set up in various guises for years. But > nobody uses it, so nobody uses > it. Most folks want to keep doing it they way they've been doing it > for the last 20 or so years > I've kept Team.Net on the air. > > mjb. > > *: There's a link to the mailman page where folks can set their > preferences for list delivery > and such. It has been I don't remember how long since I've > started switching lists from > majordomo to mailman, but there are still folks who try to use > majordomo to manage > their subscriptions. You can lead a horse to water .... > > > > mjb. From skip at shervington.org Sat Sep 12 09:39:53 2009 From: skip at shervington.org (Skip Shervington) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 08:39:53 -0700 Subject: [VTR] [SPAM] Re: Goodnight, list? In-Reply-To: <4AAB007D.8080207@bradakis.com> References: <4AA8AD37.908@bradakis.com><4AA95D01.7060005@triumphstagclub.org> <4AA9D6A9.2050209@bradakis.com><4AAA8FCB.5030509@triumphstagclub.org> <4AAB007D.8080207@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <0E265FEAE0484BC88305BC6B7ABF6582@Skip> I believe you can categorize your friends on Facebook so you can keep separate the chit chat of say friends and business. So in this case each member would chose to set up a group for just VTR. Skip Shervington '58 TR3A TS34885L Santa Cruz, CA -----Original Message----- From: vtr-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:vtr-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:59 PM To: vtr at autox.team.net Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [SPAM] Re: [VTR] Goodnight, list? > I'd like to see the lists go a bit more real time social networks, > somewhat like Facebook or Twitter, but without the superfluous > chitchat. Sort of like, > > " Hey, I have this part in my hand, it looks like {this photo > embeded}. Anyone know which way round it goes?" > > And 5 minutes later or less you get a response ... > > "Yeah Mate, the end you have your thumb on goes on first. And BTW, > here is a link to Club 4's video on the installation {click and view > the video}." > People can do that now, the triumph forum at http://www.team.net/forums allows pictures. And clickable links can be embedded in not only the forum, but in plain text email as well. Look at all the links at the bottom of this message. [*] I've had such capability set up in various guises for years. But nobody uses it, so nobody uses it. Most folks want to keep doing it they way they've been doing it for the last 20 or so years I've kept Team.Net on the air. mjb. *: There's a link to the mailman page where folks can set their preferences for list delivery and such. It has been I don't remember how long since I've started switching lists from majordomo to mailman, but there are still folks who try to use majordomo to manage their subscriptions. You can lead a horse to water .... mjb. This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register http://www.vtr.org You are recieving this at skip at shervington.org Vtr at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vtr http://www.team.net/archive From britbits at netzero.com Sat Sep 12 22:00:59 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:00:59 -0500 Subject: [VTR] Goodnight, list? In-Reply-To: <4AA8AD37.908@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Mark, If it makes your job easier to kill it, go ahead and kill it. As has been pointed out, there's been almost no traffic on the list in the years I've been subscribed. Which kept me from making the effort to unsubscribe. In general I prefer email lists to forums as I don't always have access to a high speed connection to browse a forum but even on slow dialup I can walk away for 30 minutes and see what gems arrived when I'm offline. Even if I'm not in time to respond to a question I can still benefit from the answer. As I'm not a gung ho VTR member I'll just have to live vicariously through those in my local club who are dyed in the wool VTR fans. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: vtr-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:vtr-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:40 AM To: vtr at autox.team.net Subject: [VTR] Goodnight, list? Is there any reason to keep vtr at autox.team.net around? Does it serve a purpose not met by the forums on the VTR website? mjb the list janitor. This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register http://www.vtr.org You are recieving this at britbits at netzero.net Vtr at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vtr http://www.team.net/archive ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrFDTutzxnUNNex0UuNgSpBmdXo3XEVHRLVaAIIWK8AltaVOiEg/