From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Thu Jul 1 16:54:38 2010 From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 18:54:38 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] PVGP/VRG BeaveRun Message-ID: <000f01cb1970$63530d90$29f928b0$@com> I still do not see all of your entries in yet.. But if you want to see who you are racing against you can go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com and click the vintage racing button. Then click BeaveRun. You will find everything you could need. Entry forms, or latest schedule, please check this, each race group as it now stands and you really need to look at this if you drive a Formula Ford or Club Ford, Formula Vee or Vintage Front Engine Formula Jr and you BMW & Porsche drivers really need to look! As promised Formula Vee & JR get a special race on Saturday, FF & CF on Sunday. We also have a BMW/Porsche Cup Challenge. This race will have all of the BMWs who are driving at Beaver along with all of the Porsches that are driving, regardless of what group you may be in normally, doing a qualifier on Saturday and a feature race on Sunday. You will all - and this includes the Formula cars, will run and practice in your normal groups. These races are in addition to those! So we have all sorts of things going. If you look at the schedule you will notice a hot lap session for our workers on Friday, we need you, are drivers out there. Basically you will have a worker in the car with you, they will be linked into race control. You will do one lap to check the track, one hot lap and one cool down lap. I need you to show your appreciation of our VOLENTEER workers by showing up with your cars - three more laps for free! You will also notice that our Wine and Cheese is now labeled Driver & Worker reception. I have been informed that there is a lot more than just wine and cheese There are a few other things that you really want to look at the schedule for so. AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT ENTERED GET YOUR ENTRY IN! Thanks and see you there Ralph Steinberg Director of Competition PVGP BeaveRun From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Thu Jul 1 16:56:21 2010 From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 18:56:21 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] PVGP/VRG BeaveRun Message-ID: <001401cb1970$a0789640$e169c2c0$@com> I still do not see all of your entries in yet.. But if you want to see who you are racing against you can go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com and click the vintage racing button. Then click BeaveRun. You will find everything you could need. Entry forms, or latest schedule, please check this, each race group as it now stands and you really need to look at this if you drive a Formula Ford or Club Ford, Formula Vee or Vintage Front Engine Formula Jr and you BMW & Porsche drivers really need to look! As promised Formula Vee & JR get a special race on Saturday, FF & CF on Sunday. We also have a BMW/Porsche Cup Challenge. This race will have all of the BMWs who are driving at Beaver along with all of the Porsches that are driving, regardless of what group you may be in normally, doing a qualifier on Saturday and a feature race on Sunday. You will all - and this includes the Formula cars, will run and practice in your normal groups. These races are in addition to those! So we have all sorts of things going. If you look at the schedule you will notice a hot lap session for our workers on Friday, we need you, are drivers out there. Basically you will have a worker in the car with you, they will be linked into race control. You will do one lap to check the track, one hot lap and one cool down lap. I need you to show your appreciation of our VOLENTEER workers by showing up with your cars - three more laps for free! You will also notice that our Wine and Cheese is now labeled Driver & Worker reception. I have been informed that there is a lot more than just wine and cheese There are a few other things that you really want to look at the schedule for so. AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT ENTERED GET YOUR ENTRY IN! Thanks and see you there Ralph Steinberg Director of Competition PVGP BeaveRun From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Thu Jul 8 07:21:35 2010 From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 09:21:35 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] BeaveRun Historic Message-ID: <000b01cb1ea0$815baa60$8412ff20$@com> OK everyone, we are down to crunch time. I know the economy sucks, gas prices are high, if you are like me your utility bills are spiking a month early this season as we try to bake out all of the water we collected with our record snows with are record heat, are cars broke and your dog ate your entry form. Heard it all, done it all and been there too. But there is still time for you to enter the VRG/PVGP Historic Races at BeaveRun. Yeah, Yeah, I know - far away, (from where? if you live in the DC-Philly corridor it is no further than LimeRock and for many closer -) Track is short - (same length as LimeRock and for a novice easier to do and for someone who is good harder and our back straight is faster than anything you can do there) Big cars do not work here - Hmm, tell that to Sam Viviano in his Camaro Z28 as he thunders down the track and gives the IMSA Porsche one hell of a run for its money with the crowd going nuts) Or tell Bob Girvin in his big old Allard - they seem to have a real good time - Groups are strange - well you got me there, but I prefer to call them interesting. And you know what, most of us have found that interesting works real fine. I had a blast racing against a Pinto in my Jag - and according to the Pinto owner and his crew so did he. My under two liter section of the Trans-Am group just loves making it difficult for the over two guys and everyone shares a drink at the end of the day. It is fun watching FV (sorry guys you look like giant water beetles) set their sights on a sprite and track them down. Our FF group has actually started talking to the two SuperVees that have invaded their track and even though I am not sure anyone would admit it I think they got a kick out of it that by the end of the weekend a super Vee took first not a Formula B. And let's talk economy - this is the most cost effective race left on the vintage calendar - anywhere - tons of track time, you choose what you do or do not want to include with your entry, your check is made out to a charitable organization and it is between you, your accountant and God how much of that you write off. We have all sorts of racing going on, special races and challenges for some groups, there is Solo event going on (click here if you have a friend who would like to do that http://www.pvgp.org/674610688311073/site/default.asp )We even will have the Kart track open all weekend so your daughter or son can show you who really can drive! AND BOTTOM LINE IS YOU WILL BE HELPING PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED YOUR HELP, EVEN MORE IN THESE TOUGH ECONOMIC TIMES. So, great racing, great food and party, fun groups, SAFE groups, best price around (you noticed I said left on the vintage calendar the VRG NHIS is one hell of a deal for the money) You get to help others while you are having more fun than you should and who knows, you may get to snap your head around as one of our Pinto drivers did last year when he passed an Aston Martin Nimrod! (Shh we won't tell anyone the car was waiting for the safety vehicle for a tow!) We are still accepting entries in all groups you can get information, forms etc at many places www.vrgonline.org, www.cloverleaf-auto.com and they are also on the PVGP website. I expect to see everyone from Richmond to Boston and from Chicago to Nashville on the road to this event, either to race in it or to watch it and for the rest of the country I appreciate all that come - and we do get them from all four corners of USA and Canada! Thanks and see you there Ralph Steinberg Director of Competition PVGP BeaveRun From longbranchno4 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 8 22:58:20 2010 From: longbranchno4 at yahoo.com (Brock Dittrick) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 21:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] Dear friend (--_ Message-ID: <982872.21536.qm@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello! To recommend to you a powerful Shopping Network Station This is a very large company, it is fit by several well-known brands to establish a network marketing company. The company sells motorcycles, computers, televisions, mobile phones, its quality can be guaranteed. Now they are for the expansion of company size , increase sales efforts, promotional activities are being held. Lifestyle, good taste, high shopping all in http://www.bannce.com/ Look forward to your visit! Best wishes o--o From malaboge at aol.com Sat Jul 10 19:50:49 2010 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:50:49 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam In-Reply-To: <502856193.50494.1278784090069.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CCEEB29F0AEB4D-2320-C30D@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> wow... Finally I see a glimmer of reality...THIS IS VINTAGE RACING...like how it was back in the day. Not all cars were created equal, and the owners had to deal with myriad different strengths and weaknesses of their favorite mount. That is supposed to be what we are doing today...preserving that moment in tyme, not building a Formula One car with a vintage body! I've seen people posting pictures of their rebuilds wherein all sorts of things are evident that were never allowed "back in the day". If I had the proverbial nickel for everytime I've heard "thats how the did it back then" to substantiate some modern update that was never allowed, I'd be rich. Does anybody recall Anatoly being disqualified for .002 or .003 oversize valves in his Morgan, "back in the day". Now I see oversize valves in everything, 92 mm TR's, 2 liter B's, fat wheels and big carbs on everything. THATS NOT HOW IT WAS! You wanna race, go get a Miata or FF or whatever and GO RACING. This is supposed to be about the cars and how they were, not how can I update my car to be faster than the car ever was "back in the day". OK, I'm gonna go take a chill pill an get off the soapbox now... re-buildin olde race cars one at a tyme... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: fpspitfire at comcast.net To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:48 am Subject: Re: [Fot] chevy con-rods and Larry Young Cam Wow...the vintage rules must be more liberal than ever if they are now llowing alternate length rods. SCCA hasB limited prep which require stock rods and cranks, stock suspension ickup points, etc...etc...but we still get cool glass flared fenders and licks. Hasn't rule always been that the alternate rods must be of the same centre to entre dimensions? aaron From franks97 at verizon.net Sun Jul 18 16:25:13 2010 From: franks97 at verizon.net (Franks) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:25:13 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Tail Light Assembly Message-ID: At the recent Portland Historic Auto Races a visiting Mini driver took a bit of an aggressive line and tagged me in the right rear quarter panel just in from of the tail light. The lens and trim ring are fine but the tab that holds the lens on snapped off and the bracket was bent. It looks like Mo$$ etc. only sell the piece I need as part of a complete tail light package. Does anyone on the list have the 3bracket2 piece that fits on the body work for a reasonable price? You can see the Mini to Sprite love tap on You Tube: The Stewards sent him home. It probably didn9t help that he told them he hit me in the passenger door. Sorry to see him have to pack up but those are the rules for HMSA. Please contact me off list if you have the part. Thanks! -- David Franks franks97 at verizon.net 67 AH Sprite #82 Blue From franks97 at verizon.net Sun Jul 18 16:38:59 2010 From: franks97 at verizon.net (Franks) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:38:59 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Tail Light Assembly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, I forgot to mention I have a 1967 Sprite. On 7/18/10 3:25 PM, "David Franks" wrote: > At the recent Portland Historic Auto Races a visiting Mini driver took a bit > of an aggressive line and tagged me in the right rear quarter panel just in > from of the tail light. The lens and trim ring are fine but the tab that > holds the lens on snapped off and the bracket was bent. It looks like Mo$$ > etc. only sell the piece I need as part of a complete tail light package. > Does anyone on the list have the 3bracket2 piece that fits on the body work > for a reasonable price? > > You can see the Mini to Sprite love tap on You Tube: > > > The Stewards sent him home. It probably didn9t help that he told them he hit > me in the passenger door. Sorry to see him have to pack up but those are the > rules for HMSA. > > Please contact me off list if you have the part. > > Thanks! > -- > David Franks > franks97 at verizon.net > 67 AH Sprite #82 Blue > _______________________________________________ > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/vintage-race/franks97 at verizon.net From james.f.juhas at snet.net Mon Jul 19 15:17:36 2010 From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (James F Juhas) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:17:36 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Water pump for MGA Message-ID: <4C44C0F0.50907@snet.net> What is the opinion of the group on whether to use an early MGB water pump on an MGA engine in a race application? When running at Monticello last week, just before my axle broke, I experienced significantly higher running temperatures than I had ever seen before. I pegged the gauge. Since I currently have the opportunity, I am changing the water pump and thermostat. So, I want to know if there is any particular advantage in running the 12 vane early MGB pump as opposed to the 6 vane MGA pump. The engine is a 1622 with modest upgrades. I have not previously had overheating issues. It was a VERY hot day, and the track is slower than most that I run (more twisty) and very power-demanding. Jim MGA 311 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of james_f_juhas.vcf] From peter at nosimport.com Mon Jul 19 15:51:09 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:51:09 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Water pump for MGA In-Reply-To: <4C44C0F0.50907@snet.net> References: <4C44C0F0.50907@snet.net> Message-ID: <20100719145178.SM03956@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> I don't think it would fit. I mean, the gaskets are different, if I recall correctly. Bolts don't line up? Peter C == At 04:17 PM 7/19/2010, James F Juhas wrote: >What is the opinion of the group on whether to use an early MGB water >pump on an MGA engine in a race application? When running at Monticello >last week, just before my axle broke, I experienced significantly higher >running temperatures than I had ever seen before. I pegged the gauge. >Since I currently have the opportunity, I am changing the water pump and >thermostat. So, I want to know if there is any particular advantage in >running the 12 vane early MGB pump as opposed to the 6 vane MGA pump. >The engine is a 1622 with modest upgrades. I have not previously had >overheating issues. It was a VERY hot day, and the track is slower than >most that I run (more twisty) and very power-demanding. > >Jim >MGA 311 From franks97 at verizon.net Tue Jul 20 20:30:58 2010 From: franks97 at verizon.net (Franks) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:30:58 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] SFR Vintage Classic In-Reply-To: <749055.23293.qm@web113717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > SFR SCCA Fall Vintage Races > In Memory of Bruce Goronsky > Thunderhill Raceway Park > September 11 - 12 > > This Vintage Race weekend will be dedicated to the memory of our former > Vintage Chief Bruce Goronsky. Bruce passed away March 29th after fighting a > courageous battle with cancer. Bruce spent many years making the Vintage > program a success for the region and he contributed as a director for > Thunderhill Raceway. > > As a tribute to Bruce we will be dressing for the Saturday evening dinner and > social in his favorite track side attire, a Hawaiian shirt and baseball cap > (with his signature gray ponytail hanging out the back). Please join us to > celebrate Bruce9s life and his many accomplishments for the San Francisco SCCA > region. > > > The Race Groups for our first Vintage Classic Sports Car event at Thunderhill > will be as follows: > > Group 1 Small Bore Production > > Per SCCA Vintage and Historic General Competition Rules, 1972 Production Car > Specifications: E, F, G, H Production, all; B, C Sedan, all > > Group 2 T/A 2.5 Challenge > > Cars which were originally allowed to participate in the 1971-1972 32.5 > Challenge2 series as well as cars that were eligible in the B Sedan class and > C Sedan class as shown in the 1972 General Competition Rules of the SCCA are > eligible. A list of eligible cars can be found in Appendix S1 of this > document. > > All cars entered in Group 2 must adhere to the following rules: > > a. Rim width must not exceed 7 inches. > > b. Tires must be rated DOT 40 and above. No slicks. > > c. No tube frame cars. > > d. Engine limit of 2000cc (up to and including 1970 GCR) or 2500 cc > (1971 and 1972 GCR 2.5 Trans-Am spec). > > e. Any car not meeting these rules can be entered in Group 1. > > Group 3 Small Bore Formula and Sport Racer > > Formula Ford, 1966-pre thru 1974; all; Formula Jr., all; Sport Racing cars, > all, 2 liter and under. Formula Vee, all. Formula Super Vee. > > Group 4 Historic Stock Car > > Historic NASCAR Winston Cup cars, 1980 thru 1995 > > Group 5 Big Bore Production > > A, B Production, all; Can Am, 1966 thru 1973; Trans Am, 1966 thru 1973, over 2 > liter; GT cars, 1960 thru 1973, over 2 liter > > Event schedule and entry forms will be available on www.sfrscca.org > 2187&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sfrscca.org%2Fcomponent%2Foption%2Ccom_easy c > alendar%2Ftask%2Cview%2Fid%2C149%2FItemid%2C99999999%2Fcid%2C0%2F> in August > > For car eligibility information: > > Bill Godwin, Vintage Chief - Call (925) 200-7722 > > vintage at sfrscca.org > > > > > This message was sent from Sherry Grantz to danm356 at yahoo.com. It was sent > from: SFR SCCA, 5250 Highway 162, Willows, CA 95988. You can modify/update > your subscription via the link below. 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