From TomD4760 at aol.com  Tue Sep  2 14:15:21 2008
From: TomD4760 at aol.com (TomD4760 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:15:21 EDT
Subject: [Vintage-race]   Tire pressure question
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I will be changing over from Hoosier Bias Plies to
Yokohama Advan Radials 185/60/13s.  Is anyone
else running these on a Sprite?  What tire pressures
(hot) do you use?
Thank you.
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From lon at sedona.net  Wed Sep  3 12:28:13 2008
From: lon at sedona.net (Lon)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:28:13 -0700
Subject: [Vintage-race] Vintage-race Digest, Vol 17, Issue 1
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Good tire pressure question, I'd like some feedback too.  Running Hooser 
Street TD on a 1500 lb car.  Hoosier states the pressure should be about 
25lbs.  They skate badly enough at 20lbs.  What am I missing here?

Many thanks.
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> I will be changing over from Hoosier Bias Plies to
> Yokohama Advan Radials 185/60/13s.  Is anyone
> else running these on a Sprite?  What tire pressures
> (hot) do you use?
> Thank you.
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From franks97 at verizon.net  Wed Sep  3 12:57:04 2008
From: franks97 at verizon.net (franks97 at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:57:04 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] Vintage-race Digest, Vol 17, Issue 1
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Interesting, out here in Portland the Spridget group is pretty good size
and most of us seem to be starting with a cold pressure of 18lbs. The TDs
definitely slide more than the radials I've used, but it is also more
controlled. The old BFG R1's would stick to a point and break loose hard,
the Hoosier's tend to give a nice drift.

Dave (still trying to get my clutch back)

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From: Lon lon at sedona.net
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:28:13 -0700
To: vintage-race at autox.team.net
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Good tire pressure question, I'd like some feedback too.  Running Hooser
Street TD on a 1500 lb car.  Hoosier states the pressure should be about
25lbs.  They skate badly enough at 20lbs.  What am I missing here?

Many thanks.
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> I will be changing over from Hoosier Bias Plies to
> Yokohama Advan Radials 185/60/13s.  Is anyone
> else running these on a Sprite?  What tire pressures
> (hot) do you use?
> Thank you.
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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Wed Sep  3 13:34:21 2008
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (James F Juhas)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:34:21 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] Vintage-race Digest, Vol 17, Issue 1
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Lon:

What worked for me was specific tire testing, taking temperatures 
(looking for even across the tread) at a test day and during races.  
before that, I depended on advice from fellow racers on similar and 
dissimilar cars, estimates from the tire dealers and manufacturer, and 
in the end, the correct results were achieved through temperatures and 
confirmed with lap times.  I bought a contact-probe pyrometer for a 
little over $100 from Racer Parts Wholesale and found it well worth it.

You could be skating because they are too soft at 20 and you lose 
contact at the center; that happened to me running Dunlops at 26.  On 
the Hoosiers, on my 2,000 lb car, I run 27/31 Front/rear cold and 
achieved better times at WG than what the dealer's recommendations did.

Lon wrote:
> Good tire pressure question, I'd like some feedback too.  Running Hooser 
> Street TD on a 1500 lb car.  Hoosier states the pressure should be about 
> 25lbs.  They skate badly enough at 20lbs.  What am I missing here?
>
> Many thanks.
>   
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>> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:15:21 EDT
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>> I will be changing over from Hoosier Bias Plies to
>> Yokohama Advan Radials 185/60/13s.  Is anyone
>> else running these on a Sprite?  What tire pressures
>> (hot) do you use?
>> Thank you.
>> Tom<BR><BR><BR>**************<BR>It's only a deal if it's where you want 
>> to go. Find your
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From dmapes at erols.com  Wed Sep  3 17:56:26 2008
From: dmapes at erols.com (Dave Mapes)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:56:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Vintage-race] Vintage-race Digest, Vol 17, Issue 1
Message-ID: <200809032356.KGA44310@erols.com>

Hi Lon,

What James said.  I've played around with a lot of different tires on 
several cars (1966 Mustang, '66 Barracuda, and '66 Dart).  I in each
case optimal tire pressure varied widely based on tire brand, tire and 
wheel size, weight dist, allignment settings, and whether.  But the method 
of identifying the correct tire pressure and/or correct alignment settings
is the same.  your going for pressures that yeild roughly the same temp
across the tire.  The method is to take the temps of the outside edge,
center, and inside edge of each tire.  What do the temps mean?

-       Same temp inside & outside edges, hotter in the middel; tire
        is over inflated

-       Hotter on the edges; tire is under inflated

-       Hot on the inside edge: too much negative camber and/or toe-out

-       Hot on the outside edge: not enough negative (hee!) camber and/or 
        toe-in

You can also see various premutations of incorrect pressure and alignment, 
and you can sometimes crutch am alignment issue with a minor varience in 
tire pressure.  I also like to cross check temps by using the old poor-boy 
autocrosser's trick of marking the outside edges of the tires with a dab of
white shoe polish to see how far they are rolling over during a session.

Hope this helps! As an asside my Dart which weighs about 3480 with me and
gas, and is about 53%F/47%R likes 32 Psi F/29 Psi R in its 225 60 15 Hoosier
Street TDs on 15"x8" wheels.  My Mustang, which weighs 3150, about 51/49, likes
22.5/22 in its 25"x13" Goodyear Slicks on 16"x12" wheels. The Barracuda, at
3460, 50.5/49.5, with 225 50 15 Toyo RA-1s on 15"x7"s works best for autocross
at 28/28.

At 03:34 PM 9/3/08 -0400, James F Juhas wrote:
>Lon:
>
>What worked for me was specific tire testing, taking temperatures 
>(looking for even across the tread) at a test day and during races.  
>before that, I depended on advice from fellow racers on similar and 
>dissimilar cars, estimates from the tire dealers and manufacturer, and 
>in the end, the correct results were achieved through temperatures and 
>confirmed with lap times.  I bought a contact-probe pyrometer for a 
>little over $100 from Racer Parts Wholesale and found it well worth it.
>
>You could be skating because they are too soft at 20 and you lose 
>contact at the center; that happened to me running Dunlops at 26.  On 
>the Hoosiers, on my 2,000 lb car, I run 27/31 Front/rear cold and 
>achieved better times at WG than what the dealer's recommendations did.
>
All the Best!  Dave 
Sr. Software Engineer/Requirements Manager/Systems Assurance Analyst
Aging Racer & Thumb Pound...er...Rule Engineer
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From britbits at netzero.com  Wed Sep  3 21:01:25 2008
From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:01:25 -0500
Subject: [Vintage-race]  Vintage-race Digest, Vol 17, Issue 1
Message-ID: <000401c90e3a$85de24f0$32523542@jrg>

Not having a temp probe I used the Autocrossers guide... set the front tire
pressures such that at the extreme you're not rolling onto the sidewalls,
then set the rear pressures to get the handling balance that you want.  You
judge roll over on the tires using white shoe polish.  Usually called
"chalking" the tires.

On a Mini Cooper S running 13" wheels with Yoko A008Gs I was running 34 to
36psi front and 28 psi rear.  A local car prep specialist insisted I was on
drugs to use such pressures... then he took temp readings for me and found
the tire temps were right where they needed to be.  And the car handled
perfectly at TWS.

The basic idea is to keep the front tire tread evenly flat onto the road
surface for traction.  Then the rear tires are adjusted to get the
oversteer/understeer characteristics you want.

Most tires will tend to slip on lower pressures (rolling onto sidewalls) and
grip better with higher pressures.. until you hit the point where the tire
starts to balloon out and you wind up wearing out the center tread with no
wear on the edges.   So the basic autocrosser rule was to keep adding
pressure to get them to stick, until you stopped using the shoulder tread.
Then you were at max front pressure.

With rear wheel drive you have other forces working on the tires so you'll
tend to run a few more PSI in the back.  Same concepts apply.  Unless you
like lighting up the tires without moving the car.

One benefit to chalking... you can check it any time, not just right after a
hot run session.


Cheers,

Jim
Dallas
'61 Morris Mini vintage racer
'76 Spitfire DM autocrosser



 

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Hi Lon,

What James said.  I've played around with a lot of different tires on
several cars (1966 Mustang, '66 Barracuda, and '66 Dart).  I in each case
optimal tire pressure varied widely based on tire brand, tire and wheel
size, weight dist, allignment settings, and whether.  But the method of
identifying the correct tire pressure and/or correct alignment settings is
the same.  your going for pressures that yeild roughly the same temp across
the tire.  The method is to take the temps of the outside edge, center, and
inside edge of each tire.  What do the temps mean?

-       Same temp inside & outside edges, hotter in the middel; tire
        is over inflated

-       Hotter on the edges; tire is under inflated

-       Hot on the inside edge: too much negative camber and/or toe-out

-       Hot on the outside edge: not enough negative (hee!) camber and/or 
        toe-in

You can also see various premutations of incorrect pressure and alignment,
and you can sometimes crutch am alignment issue with a minor varience in
tire pressure.  I also like to cross check temps by using the old poor-boy
autocrosser's trick of marking the outside edges of the tires with a dab of
white shoe polish to see how far they are rolling over during a session.

Hope this helps! As an asside my Dart which weighs about 3480 with me and
gas, and is about 53%F/47%R likes 32 Psi F/29 Psi R in its 225 60 15 Hoosier
Street TDs on 15"x8" wheels.  My Mustang, which weighs 3150, about 51/49,
likes
22.5/22 in its 25"x13" Goodyear Slicks on 16"x12" wheels. The Barracuda, at
3460, 50.5/49.5, with 225 50 15 Toyo RA-1s on 15"x7"s works best for
autocross at 28/28.


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From dmeadow at juno.com  Wed Sep  3 21:02:14 2008
From: dmeadow at juno.com (David Littlefield)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:02:14 -0500
Subject: [Vintage-race] Vintage-race Digest, Vol 17, Issue 1
Message-ID: <20080903.220214.3664.5.dmeadow@juno.com>

Tom,

Are these the A032 or A048s?  Previously running the A032s I've started
between 24 to 26 _cold_ depending upon the weather (higher in hot
temperatures, lower in cool).  Hot temperatures get around 30 to 32. 
I've checked temperatures across the face of the tire and they are pretty
good with those sorts of pressures.  I know people that run 28 using
nitrogen, which doesn't expand as much.

I've got a set of the A048s, but haven't tried them yet.  If that's what
you're running, I'd be interested in what you think of them and what
pressures you end up with.

David Littlefield
1974 MG Midget

> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:15:21 EDT
> > From: TomD4760 at aol.com
> > Subject: [Vintage-race]   Tire pressure question
> > To: vintage-race at Autox.Team.Net
> > Message-ID: <bf3.3d3158f2.35eef8d9 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > I will be changing over from Hoosier Bias Plies to
> > Yokohama Advan Radials 185/60/13s.  Is anyone
> > else running these on a Sprite?  What tire pressures
> > (hot) do you use?
> > Thank you.
> > Tom
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From Awgertoo at aol.com  Wed Sep 10 11:21:38 2008
From: Awgertoo at aol.com (Awgertoo at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:21:38 EDT
Subject: [Vintage-race] Pet-friendly motel near Watkin's Glen
Message-ID: <ca8.32c853ad.35f95c22@aol.com>

I'd like to bring my dog to the VRG event at Watkin's Glen in October and  
wonder if anyone knows of pet-friendly accomodations in the area.
 
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From wsthompson at thicko.com  Mon Sep 15 14:56:09 2008
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:56:09 -0500
Subject: [Vintage-race] ELVF this weekend
Message-ID: <003c01c91775$7cb32ee0$76198ca0$@com>

Hey y'all,

 

I will be at Road America this weekend, but won't be racing as I'd planned.
My 89 yr old Mom is having cancer surgery Fri. AM in IL, so I'll be down
there for the day.

 

I will be at the track Sat. & Sun. Road & Track's Peter Egan is the Guest of
Honor for the 50th Sprite Anniversary festivities. He'll be driving Walter,
http://www.thicko.com/Walter.htm in the street course recreation run, and as
the special pace car for the Sprite race. The car will also be at the Cars
on the Green show at the Osthoff following the street course run. My 18
piece big band will be the entertainment at the car show.. this takes place
between 5-7pm prior to the dinner. Please come by and say hello.

 

WST

 

More info at .

 

http://www.vscda.org/

 

http://www.raceelvf.org/

From franks97 at verizon.net  Mon Sep 15 17:36:35 2008
From: franks97 at verizon.net (franks97 at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:36:35 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] SFR Fall Vintage Event at Infineon
Message-ID: <380-220089115233635941@M2W039.mail2web.com>

Close to 15 racers from the NW are headed to Infineon this weekend for the
San Francisco Region's Fall Vintage event. Five of us are Spridget racers.
Anyone from somewhere other than the West Coast attending? If my clutch
holds out I might run mid-pack in the small bore run group ;-)

They are having a special Mini grid and Huffaker and Peterson are entered.

Dave Franks
67 Sprite #82 Blue

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From jimf42 at rocketmail.com  Mon Sep 15 20:59:42 2008
From: jimf42 at rocketmail.com (jim fuerstenberg)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:59:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vintage-race] [Thicko] ELVF this weekend
In-Reply-To: <003c01c91775$7cb32ee0$76198ca0$@com>
Message-ID: <189760.6586.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I will be there sat and sun...racing...

Jim Fuerstenberg

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--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Wm. Severin Thompson <wsthompson at thicko.com> wrote:

> From: Wm. Severin Thompson <wsthompson at thicko.com>
> Subject: [Thicko] ELVF this weekend
> To: team-thicko at autox.team.net, vintage-race at autox.team.net
> Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net, "'MGs'" <mgs at autox.team.net>, bugeye at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 3:56 PM
> Hey y'all,
> 
>  
> 
> I will be at Road America this weekend, but won't be
> racing as I'd planned.
> My 89 yr old Mom is having cancer surgery Fri. AM in IL, so
> I'll be down
> there for the day.
> 
>  
> 
> I will be at the track Sat. & Sun. Road &
> Track's Peter Egan is the Guest of
> Honor for the 50th Sprite Anniversary festivities.
> He'll be driving Walter,
> http://www.thicko.com/Walter.htm in the street course
> recreation run, and as
> the special pace car for the Sprite race. The car will also
> be at the Cars
> on the Green show at the Osthoff following the street
> course run. My 18
> piece big band will be the entertainment at the car show..
> this takes place
> between 5-7pm prior to the dinner. Please come by and say
> hello.
> 
>  
> 
> WST
> 
>  
> 
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> 
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From twobees at sprynet.com  Tue Sep 16 17:32:29 2008
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:32:29 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] 948 Water Pump Questions
Message-ID: <000001c91854$7cd62be0$6401a8c0@normoffice>

I just bought a new water pump for the modified 948 Spridget engine in my
Turner racecar.  It's an alloy body with stamped metal impeller by GMB,
Japan.

The angle of the blades on the impeller are very nearly at right angles to
the shaft, whereas the blades on the cast iron impellers of the old pumps I
have are at nearly a 45-degree angle.  I find it hard to believe that this
new pump will do anything but cavitate at race-speeds (3,000 to 6,000 rpms).

Have any of you with race or street Spridgets had any experience with this
brand pump?  Is it good or bad?  I ask because I need to grind away
clearance at the top for the thermostat housing section of the head.  Can't
return it after modified.  Has anyone modified the impeller in any way
(blade angle, spot-weld, etc.)?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Norm Sippel
'59 Turner Mk.1
Florida, USA

From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Sep 16 18:46:44 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:46:44 -0500
Subject: [Vintage-race] 948 Water Pump Questions
In-Reply-To: <000001c91854$7cd62be0$6401a8c0@normoffice>
References: <000001c91854$7cd62be0$6401a8c0@normoffice>
Message-ID: <20080917004648.0DF3418764D@autox.team.net>

Triumph TR's have the blades at right angles to the shaft and that 
works fine for them.  Dunno about for the Spridget, though.

- Tony Drews

At 06:32 PM 9/16/2008, Norm 2Bs wrote:
>I just bought a new water pump for the modified 948 Spridget engine in my
>Turner racecar.  It's an alloy body with stamped metal impeller by GMB,
>Japan.
>
>The angle of the blades on the impeller are very nearly at right angles to
>the shaft, whereas the blades on the cast iron impellers of the old pumps I
>have are at nearly a 45-degree angle.  I find it hard to believe that this
>new pump will do anything but cavitate at race-speeds (3,000 to 6,000 rpms).
>
>Have any of you with race or street Spridgets had any experience with this
>brand pump?  Is it good or bad?  I ask because I need to grind away
>clearance at the top for the thermostat housing section of the head.  Can't
>return it after modified.  Has anyone modified the impeller in any way
>(blade angle, spot-weld, etc.)?
>
>Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>Norm Sippel
>'59 Turner Mk.1
>Florida, USA
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From twobees at sprynet.com  Tue Sep 16 20:37:49 2008
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:37:49 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] 948 Water Pump Questions
In-Reply-To: <52CF5445EED14E83ABBA46E5CBD5F517@D2HJ7531>
Message-ID: <000301c9186e$64303580$6401a8c0@normoffice>

Myles:

Thanks.  But, I have a Longman head that doesn't allow for the larger
pulley.  Even with the standard pulley, I had to do a lot of grinding on the
bottom of the thermostat housing.

My question has to do more with the impeller, than the pump body.  The cast
iron impellers (either shallow or deep) in the aluminum bodies, appear to
have far better flow characteristics than does this new pump with the
stamped metal impeller.  But, do they?

Norm

-----Original Message-----
From: Myles Winbigler [mailto:mwinbigler at worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:54 PM
To: twobees at sprynet.com
Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] 948 Water Pump Questions


I've used the aluminum water pumps in 948s for some time and have had no
problems using either the standard 948 pump pulley or an oversize pulley
which comes from some other A series motor. This usage has been on a Lotus 7

America and on a Sadler Formula Junior, both with A series motors and both
with radiator cores larger than the standard Bugeye radiator.  I don't know
the source of the that larger pulley, but it does slow the water pump down.
The only problem when fitting it can come if the head has been milled quite
a bit.  The large pulley may rub or stall on the casting below the
thermostat galley;  I've been able to relieve the casting with a little
grinding and it's worked out just fine (However, I'm only running about
11:0 - 1, not modern grenade compressions).

Myles Winbigler
59 Bugeye
60 Lotus Seven America
59 Sadler F Jr (all with 948s)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norm 2Bs" <twobees at sprynet.com>
To: "Vintage Racing Digest" <vintage-race at autox.team.net>; "SpridgetsDigest"

<spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: [Vintage-race] 948 Water Pump Questions


>I just bought a new water pump for the modified 948 Spridget engine in
>my  Turner racecar.  It's an alloy body with stamped metal impeller by
>GMB,  Japan.
>
> The angle of the blades on the impeller are very nearly at right
> angles to the shaft, whereas the blades on the cast iron impellers of
> the old pumps I have are at nearly a 45-degree angle.  I find it hard
> to believe that this new pump will do anything but cavitate at
> race-speeds (3,000 to 6,000 rpms).
>
> Have any of you with race or street Spridgets had any experience with
> this brand pump?  Is it good or bad?  I ask because I need to grind
> away clearance at the top for the thermostat housing section of the
> head. Can't return it after modified.  Has anyone modified the
> impeller in any way (blade angle, spot-weld, etc.)?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Norm Sippel
> '59 Turner Mk.1
> Florida, USA
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Tue Sep 16 21:38:18 2008
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:38:18 -0700
Subject: [Vintage-race] 1957 TR3 vintage race car for sale
Message-ID: <48D07BAA.4010409@141.com>

For many years this car was raced with VARA on the west coast.  I bought 
it and had it transported to Arkansas by Joe Alexander.

Rear suspension has been lowered using longer shackles. Original 
shackles are included.  Front vertical links have been previously 
modified to create 1.5 degrees of negative camber.  I was planning on 
replacing these with Uncle Jacks modified upper a-arms and original 
vertical links.

Parts included are:

    * aluminum seat pan and cover
    * tach and speedometer cables
    * southwick axle conversion (unassembled), needs your choice of ring
      and pinion
    * welded factory rear axle with 4:10 gears (at least according to PO)
    * detroit locker (I assume its good but have no history on it)
    * modified upper A-Arms (modified by Uncle Jack)
    * front and rear suspension components from BFE
    * lightened steel flywheel (from Uncle Jack's 1st run of flywheels)
    * new brake shoes and wheel cylinders
    * new hi torque starter
    * NOS door mirrors
    * new LUK clutch kit (older version before they changed hands)
    * new rear shock links
    * new accusump with electric control valve
    * new fuel cell with fuel sender (not name brand)
    * new 12" electric fan
    * new longacre rear view mirror
    * new steering wheel quick disconnect hub
    * new carb heat sheild from A.R.E.
    * new brooklands screens
    * new carb air horns from A.R.E.
    * new brake rotors
    * new fuel regulator
    * new fuel filter (racing style replaceable element)
    * new motor mounts
    * new transmission mount
    * oem tachometer
    * oem speedometer
    * various oem switches
    * many other parts, mostly original TR3 components
    * clutch/flywheel scatter shield from Uncle Jack
    * tunnel cover
    * halon fire suppression system for cockpit and engine compartment
    * roll bar
    * possibly a few other race goodies that I just can't think of right now


ENGINE

    * BFE rear main seal kit
    * new cam gear
    * new crank gear
    * camshaft to use as core for whatever grind you want
    * new rod bearings
    * new main bearings
    * new cam bearings
    * new timing chain
    * NOS hepalite 87mm pistons (rings have not been purchased)
    * factory rods
    * GT40 lifter kit from BFE
    * small belt pulley conversion kit from BFE
    * new gasket kit
    * new steel shim head gasket from BFE

All engine components have been */cryogenically/* treated.  This 
includes block, crank, cam, head, valves, springs, gears, chain, rods, 
pistons, clutch components etc.  Anything internal to the engine has 
been treated.

Head was prepared to specs from Kas's original competition and 
preparation book.

Engine is ready to be assembled once aluminum oil gallery plugs 
(included) are replaced and rings are purchased.  To the best of my 
knowledge all machine work has been completed. 

The transmission is a factory 4-speed with A-type overdrive.

Pictures can be seen here: http://www.141.com/triumphs/tr3-racer.html

Feel free to call me at 870-329-1335 with any questions.

From zero260 at comcast.net  Tue Sep 16 22:05:58 2008
From: zero260 at comcast.net (Jerry Burr)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:05:58 -0700
Subject: [Vintage-race] Big Healey head FS
Message-ID: <00f301c9187a$b1241b20$6501a8c0@DGRKBDC1>

I have a Austin Healey 3 Carb head for sale. From a 62 300 MK2 I believe. All
there, valves etc....
It's in Berkeley Ca.......$150 plus shipping (heavy)....Or come pick it
up....
Jerry Burr

From twobees at sprynet.com  Tue Sep 16 22:27:00 2008
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:27:00 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] 948 Water Pump Questions
In-Reply-To: <A86BEA8D0B7746069384B5BC915A8852@D2HJ7531>
Message-ID: <000a01c9187d$a1526500$6401a8c0@normoffice>

Myles:

Thanks.  That's what I need to know.

The test will be mid-Nov. at Moroso.

Prior to installing a new aluminum radiator it used to overheat under
extreme conditions like the Mt. Equinox hillclimb.

Norm

-----Original Message-----
From: Myles Winbigler [mailto:mwinbigler at worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:20 AM
To: twobees at sprynet.com
Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] 948 Water Pump Questions


Norm,
All I can say is that I've never noticed overheating problems with the
aluminum pump with the stamped vanes and so I presume that means the vanes
aren't cavitating at high revs.  I turn the motors regularly to 7800 and
sometimes higher.
Myles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norm 2Bs" <twobees at sprynet.com>
To: "'Myles Winbigler'" <mwinbigler at worldnet.att.net>; "Vintage Racing
Digest" <vintage-race at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 7:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Vintage-race] 948 Water Pump Questions


Myles:

Thanks.  But, I have a Longman head that doesn't allow for the larger
pulley.  Even with the standard pulley, I had to do a lot of grinding on the
bottom of the thermostat housing.

My question has to do more with the impeller, than the pump body.  The cast
iron impellers (either shallow or deep) in the aluminum bodies, appear to
have far better flow characteristics than does this new pump with the
stamped metal impeller.  But, do they?

Norm

-----Original Message-----
From: Myles Winbigler [mailto:mwinbigler at worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:54 PM
To: twobees at sprynet.com
Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] 948 Water Pump Questions


I've used the aluminum water pumps in 948s for some time and have had no
problems using either the standard 948 pump pulley or an oversize pulley
which comes from some other A series motor. This usage has been on a Lotus 7

America and on a Sadler Formula Junior, both with A series motors and both
with radiator cores larger than the standard Bugeye radiator.  I don't know
the source of the that larger pulley, but it does slow the water pump down.
The only problem when fitting it can come if the head has been milled quite
a bit.  The large pulley may rub or stall on the casting below the
thermostat galley;  I've been able to relieve the casting with a little
grinding and it's worked out just fine (However, I'm only running about 11:0
- 1, not modern grenade compressions).

Myles Winbigler
59 Bugeye
60 Lotus Seven America
59 Sadler F Jr (all with 948s)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norm 2Bs" <twobees at sprynet.com>
To: "Vintage Racing Digest" <vintage-race at autox.team.net>; "SpridgetsDigest"

<spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: [Vintage-race] 948 Water Pump Questions


>I just bought a new water pump for the modified 948 Spridget engine in
>my  Turner racecar.  It's an alloy body with stamped metal impeller by
>GMB,  Japan.
>
> The angle of the blades on the impeller are very nearly at right
> angles to the shaft, whereas the blades on the cast iron impellers of
> the old pumps I have are at nearly a 45-degree angle.  I find it hard
> to believe that this new pump will do anything but cavitate at
> race-speeds (3,000 to 6,000 rpms).
>
> Have any of you with race or street Spridgets had any experience with
> this brand pump?  Is it good or bad?  I ask because I need to grind
> away clearance at the top for the thermostat housing section of the
> head. Can't return it after modified.  Has anyone modified the
> impeller in any way (blade angle, spot-weld, etc.)?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Norm Sippel
> '59 Turner Mk.1
> Florida, USA
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From mg72racer at juno.com  Wed Sep 17 07:27:37 2008
From: mg72racer at juno.com (mg72racer at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:27:37 GMT
Subject: [Vintage-race] [Thicko] tuner guys are douche bags
Message-ID: <20080917.082737.1408.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>

I thought you had maybe misspelled Turner.........

Mal Fay
#72 Midget
#73 Sprite

-- "Wm. Severin Thompson" <wsthompson at thicko.com> wrote:
I stopped by Harley to check on a part  order for my old Suplerglide. I pull
out of Harley, going north on the west frontage road, and some little douche
bag in some imported tuner car pulls out of one of those business driveways
right at me. He stops right where my front end would be in my lane if I
hadn't slammed on the brakes and drove down into the (big) ditch by 41. The
f'er then just drives off, not stopping to see whether I'm injured or
damaged my car (the little red Sprite).  I'm able to back out of the ditch,
and tear after the guy. He knows I'm after him. He guns it over the bridge,
and heads south on the east frontage road. I've caught up with him, and am
pointing for him to pull over. he keeps going. He goes east on a side
street, and I pull up alongside and tell him to pull over.



He says, "I didn't see you man." I said, "You saw that you ran me off the
road and into the ditch, didn't you?" He say, " I saw you backing up as I
pulled off.. I figured you were ok." By now I'm hopin' the guy will give me
just the slightest bit of attitude so I can get out and bitchslap him into
next week. He keeps repeating "I didn't see you man, I didn't see you", and
I could see he was about to shit himself, so I told him how f'd up what he
did was, and someone could have been hurt, and fleeing the scene like that
would get him jail time, and I drove off.



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From Hsrrace at aol.com  Wed Sep 17 17:54:02 2008
From: Hsrrace at aol.com (Hsrrace at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:54:02 EDT
Subject: [Vintage-race] [Thicko] tuner guys are douche bags
Message-ID: <c17.466addb4.3602f29a@aol.com>

Hello,
My father, Joe Pendergast, passed away on Sunday, September 14 from 
complicqations from pnuemonia.   The complete info is listed on Vintage Motorsports web 
site.
Sincerely,
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From dmapes at erols.com  Wed Sep 17 18:10:15 2008
From: dmapes at erols.com (Dave Mapes)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:10:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Vintage-race]  Test fit tire wanted...
Message-ID: <200809180010.PBE57693@erols.com>

Hi Folks,

In anticipation of some day having a motor worthy of my exhaust system,
I'm looking for one 26.5"x9.5"-15" Hoosier TD to test fit on te rear of
my '66 Dart.  It can be bald as an egg and hard as a rock, it just needs 
to be cheap/free (+ shipping $$ of course) and hold air long enough to 
eye things in.  Thanks!  

Also, I'm interested in any commentary on the relative merits of the 
various SVRA Group 6 leagal tires, relative to the 225 60 15 Hoosier 
Street DTs I'm used to autocrossing the Dart on.  Thanks Again!
All the Best!  Dave 
Sr. Software Engineer/Requirements Manager/Systems Assurance Analyst
Aging Racer & Thumb Pound...er...Rule Engineer
http://www.lamehorseracing.com

From les at classicdatsun.com  Fri Sep 26 00:32:40 2008
From: les at classicdatsun.com (Les Cannaday)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:32:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vintage-race] Rare racing footage
Message-ID: <380193.41197.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Guys
I do not post very often but thought I would let any of you know about a
wonderful resource that has recently come to my attention. Any of you that
have a historic race cars with history back to the early 70s that may have
made the run-offs ther could very well be some good footage of your car in
practice and the races at Road Atlanta. If you know of the Photographer Gordon
Jolley h has started to get out selected 16mm movies and edit them onto DVD of
selected years and classes and it could be as little as a 10-15 min dvd or it
could turn into more like the 72-73 Formula 5000 dvd being done right now. I
was seeking footage of my 1967 Datsun 2000 roadster that finished 4th in 72
and 4 th again in 73 with different team. So I paid to sponser the 72-73 C-D
production DVD which can now be purchased for about $45 from Gordon. He also
has a 14 minute under 2.5 T/A video and while surfing the Can -Am and formula
5000 sampler DVD I found never before seen
 footage of the BRE Formula 5000 Lotus that was wrecked the nextday by a freak
rain storm in 72. If any of you are seeking footage of any important car that
you may have I recomend you contact Gordon as he has told me that the old
footage is starting to go bad and he cannot afford to put it all on DVD and
does not know what all people might be interested in. He only shot movies at
Atlanta at the time and he has many other yers as well and I only wish he had
my car at Daytona in 69 where it took 2nd place.
 
On another note the guys of the Vintage Sedan Race Group are sponsering the
first ever BRE Team reunion in Irvine Ca on Oct 11th from 5-8 PM and we have
all the important team members coming to this once in a lifetime event and we
have very limited room left maybe only 50 seats for dinner and the guests
include
Pete Brock
John Morton
John Caldwell
John Knepp
Mac Tilton
Floyd Link
Kirk Allegro
Trevor Harris
Bruce Burness
Tony Adamowicz and a few more I cannot recall right now
If you would like to attend before I put this info out to the datsun crowd
please go to VSRG.org or bsedan.com and follow the links to join us for a
great night of bench racing with legends.
Take care
Les 

Les Cannaday
Classic Datsun Motorsports
345 Olive Ave
Vista, CA  92083
(760)940-6365
(866)288-8340 fax

From twobees at sprynet.com  Sat Sep 27 09:58:46 2008
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:58:46 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] More Sad News
Message-ID: <000801c920b9$ed5db5f0$6401a8c0@normoffice>

I just saw the news that Westport's Paul Newman died last night.  While I
never met him personally, I often saw him around Westport, at the theater &
at Lime Rock.  A great actor and a great racer, even in his latter years.
May we all be able to drive as well at that age.
 
He'll be missed by many.  Our sympathy to Joanne and family.
 
Norm Sippel
an ex-Fairfielder

From Jody007 at aol.com  Sat Sep 27 10:04:29 2008
From: Jody007 at aol.com (Jody007 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:04:29 EDT
Subject: [Vintage-race] More Sad News
Message-ID: <d16.37493fdc.360fb38d@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/27/2008 11:59:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
twobees at sprynet.com writes:

I just  saw the news that Westport's Paul Newman died last night.  While  I
never met him personally, I often saw him around Westport, at the theater  &
at Lime Rock.  A great actor and a great racer, even in his  latter years.
May we all be able to drive as well at that  age.



I had the honor to meet him a couple of times at vintage races and he was a  
very "down home" man. And I noticed the vintage crowd treated him as just  
another racers, I bet he liked that.
 In his honor I think I'll go watch "Winning" for about the hundredth  time.
R.I.P. #83
 



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From Tombread at aol.com  Sat Sep 27 14:51:15 2008
From: Tombread at aol.com (Tombread at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:51:15 EDT
Subject: [Vintage-race] More Sad News
Message-ID: <c04.48893da5.360ff6c3@aol.com>

PLN and Bob Wagner filmed some "Winning" scenes at IRP when I was employed  
there--  pit scenes, mainly.  They both enjoyed a beer or two after  shooting 
was concluded, though Paul was more prone to talk racing than  Bob.
 
Not too many years later, PL Newman began racing for real, initially in a  
TR6.  I can't be certain but think he raced at IRP; I do know he was  entered at 
some of the SCCA races I competed in, and brought Joanne-- in the  
beginning--  but fan pressures got to be a problem.
 
He was a terrific racing driver and terrific cinema presence, and a great  
humanitarian, giving all his profits from "Newman's Own" to his Hole In The Wall 
 Camps.
 
Met him, liked him, we will miss him.
 
Tom Butters
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In a message dated 9/27/2008 12:00:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
twobees at sprynet.com writes:

I just  saw the news that Westport's Paul Newman died last night.  While  I
never met him personally, I often saw him around Westport, at the theater  &
at Lime Rock.  A great actor and a great racer, even in his  latter years.
May we all be able to drive as well at that age.

He'll  be missed by many.  Our sympathy to Joanne and family.

Norm  Sippel
an  ex-Fairfielder
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From LMR356 at aol.com  Sat Sep 27 15:52:44 2008
From: LMR356 at aol.com (LMR356 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:52:44 EDT
Subject: [Vintage-race] PLN....Tributes
Message-ID: <cae.33766a6f.3610052c@aol.com>

In August, Speed Style Magazine's Bill Moore began to solicit for  tributes 
to Paul Newman, after it was learned that the actor/racer was  terminally ill 
with cancer.    Take a look at _www.speedstylemagazine.com_ 
(http://www.speedstylemagazine.com)     Main Menu:  PLN  with over a dozen tributes -- mostly 
first hand  recollections from crew members, drivers, writers and fans.
 
I met Paul Newman when I was crewing for Bruce Jennings' 911S at the 1977  
Sebring 12 Hours...it was the first and only one for PLN, also co-driving the  
Beverly Hills Porsche 911S with Bill Freeman in the u/2.0 GTU.  I  recalled the 
1977 Sebring story along with another one 24 years later  when I raced 
against Paul Newman at Brian Redman's Porsche Rennsport I in  2001.
 
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From carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net  Sat Sep 27 21:31:43 2008
From: carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net (Carl McLelland)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:31:43 -0700
Subject: [Vintage-race] PLN....Tributes Part 1
Message-ID: <1DF34042D4B244B5B6E313D66ED481BA@owner33025ef87>

This message rejected because it was too long. Therefore I retracted it and
will send it in two parts.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

  It's with great sadness that I learned of Paul Newman's death. His
contributions to motorsports; while not on a caliber of, say Phil Hill, are
equally important and will sorely be missed. God's Speed, Paul Newman, and may
every flag be a checkered one.

  An interesting story that I feel compelled to write. This could be
subtitled: "The most emberrasing moment in the life of a traffic cop". I am a
retired Deputy Sheriff from the Washoe County Sheriff's Office in Reno,
Nevada. I was a "plank holder" in the departments Traffic Section, and
Commander of the Major Accident Investigation Team (M.A.I.T.).

  In the early 90's, working graveyard, I stopped a lady for speeding. She was
driving through Pleasant Valley, an urban area south of Reno, at a speed of
about 80 miles an hour in a 50 zone. (I think everybody will agree that I had
probable cause to stop her. {Yea, right! One more ticket and I win the Toaster
Oven! Anybody need a 'Toaster Oven'? I got a garage full of them... I used to
write a lot of tickets!}).

  During the time that the national 55 mph speed limit was in effect, Nevada
had a statute on the books (NRS 484.362) called "Wasting a Natural Resource
Presently In Short Supply", or simply "Wasting Energy". If a person were
stopped for a speeding violation, going between 56 and 70mph in a '55 zone',
instead of citing them for a Basic Speed violation we could issue a citation
for "Wasting Energy". For the state (any state for that matter) to retain
their Federal Highway funds, they were expected to write "x" number of
citations per year per registered vehicles. Well, to expect a person to drive
55mph from Vegas to Reno, or Carson City to Ely, hundreds of miles across the
worlds most beautiful deserts, is like asking a normal, healthy male to stop
at the Mustang Ranch and ask for a Coke or Pepsi. Get my point? OK.... Our
legislature came up with this 'Ficticious Violation' to satisfy the
beaurocrats in Washington. Simply expressed, it was a $15.00 fine. It
satisfied the "federal" requirement of writing all those ludicrous tickets,
but didn't go on your driving record as a moving violation and nothing on your
record to raise your insurance rates. Life is beautiful, right?

From carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net  Sat Sep 27 21:33:46 2008
From: carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net (Carl McLelland)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:33:46 -0700
Subject: [Vintage-race] PLN....Tributes Part 2
Message-ID: <16776CD8EA59495C99B31E8D70284B3C@owner33025ef87>

This message was originally rejected for being too long. Thus, this is the
second and final part.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

  OKay, back to my story... This wasn't some 'down and out' person driving a
Yugo running on 3 cylinders, I had stopped a lady who appeared respectable and
polite (read: she's not intoxicated and has passed the "attitude test"), and
is driving a brand new Cadillac. My intention was to (A) issue her a "Wasting
Energy" citation or (B) a "written warning". Most likely, since it was 30
over, a 'Wasting Energy'. (Now give me a break guys and gals.... That's
reasonable, yea!?!?). And just as soon as my Dispatcher radio's back "Clear,
Valid Class 3 License", I'll be on my way to the Donut Shop and life will be
beautiful. Except, my Dispatcher radios "One Sam Seventy One, "M" Mary. Cover
unit enroute, Warrant being confirmed!".

  Hmmmm, "mother raper..... Father Stabber...... FATHER RAPER......" (cc Arlo
Guthrie, "Alices Restaurant", 1965)................ "Washoe, 1-SAM-71, charges
and bail?".... "1-SAM-71, Washoe, 1977 warrant out of Elko County, WASTING
ENERGY, Bail Forty Five dollars....., Confirmed and abstract enroute".

  I walk back up to the car and ask the lady to please step back to my
car..... I explain how personally emberrasing I'm finding this to be, and
explain this outstanding warrant that by law (and Department policy) I am
required to take her into custody for. Fortunately, she understands my
position and takes it in stride. However, it gets worse!!!! Since she has a
warrant for her arrest I'm not allowed by department policy to cite her, I'm
required to take her into custody for the offense that I stopped her for! But
that's not all..... Since there's nobody immediately available to release her
car to, I'm required by department policy to call a tow truck and have it
stored for safe keeping.

  When we arrive at Booking, and they search her and her purse for "machine
guns, hand grenades and small nuclear devices", lo and behold, there in her
billfold are a couple photographs of her and Paul Newman, standing in the pits
at Indy! Seems her family owns one of the largest cattle ranches in Nevada,
and are such good personal friends of Newman, that one year they were his
special guests at the Indy 500!!

  I think two of the highlights of my law enforcement career were capturing
the suspect and safely recovering a four year old kidnapping victim, and
interrupting a sexual assault and capturing the suspect who later admitted he
intended to kill her after the rape was completed. And, the most emberrasing
'highlight' of my law enforcement career.

  Thank you all for 'suffering through' my personal tribute to Paul Newman.
Although I never met the man he and I were both racers, and had a "third
party" relationship that any and all would have to admit was........ "Unique".
      Carl    Lotus 61 formula Ford

From BAGoronsky at aol.com  Sat Sep 27 21:42:08 2008
From: BAGoronsky at aol.com (BAGoronsky at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:42:08 EDT
Subject: [Vintage-race] PLN....Tributes Part 1
Message-ID: <beb.2a44d482.36105710@aol.com>

Ahh,

now that I know you were a cop your posts make much more sense to me.

Congarats on your useless vote for John.

And, Why are we sad on this day. We should be celebrating this mans life like 
it was our own. 

He led a long and wonderful life, and enjoyed every minute of it. Preformed 
in great movies and plays, drove great races. loved a wonderful woman, and had 
a great family.

So please , let's not get to maudlin about him. Besides, you never knew him 
that well.

BAG


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From franks97 at verizon.net  Mon Sep 29 20:47:34 2008
From: franks97 at verizon.net (Franks)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:47:34 -0700
Subject: [Vintage-race] Sears Point Video
Message-ID: <C506E156.6072%franks97@verizon.net>

A group of Northwest vintage drivers and their vintage cars made the trip to
the Bay area to race the historic track at Sears Point (now Infineon
Raceway). Here is a link to a 2 minute YouTube video of some of the trip
highlights. And yes I know I typed 2009 in the title (my bad).

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAgBFct2BI0>


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David Franks
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