From John.Desantis at Inficon.com Thu Oct 2 06:08:11 2008 From: John.Desantis at Inficon.com (John.Desantis at Inficon.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:08:11 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires Message-ID: Two friends of mine have recently had multiple trailer tire failures (tread pealing off) while on trips. When purchasing replacement tires, friend #2 was told that trailer tires delaminate in about 4 years. The tire seller also mentioned that it was easy to determine when the tires were near failure. He mentioned that the center section of the tread raises up. So I go home and check out my 4 year old ST205/75-15's and they are very distinctly raised in the center, approximately 1/4 inch. When I checked the spare that is the same age as the tires on the trailer- it looked normal. I am planning to buy 4 new tires come spring. Reading anything I could find on the web about trailer tires I found the it is highly recommended to replace them every 4 year. I also found info on tread delamination, I could not find any thing mentioned about the tread raising up. Has anyone out there had similar experience with raised tread? John DeSantis Inficon Phone 315-434-1196 Fax 315-434-9908 *********************************************************************** NOTICE: - This message including any attachments is intended only for the use of the designated recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete the original message including any attachments. *********************************************************************** From eltonclark at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 08:29:37 2008 From: eltonclark at gmail.com (Elton E. (Tony) Clark) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:29:37 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: *We've experienced exactly the same thing and are becoming convinced the phenom is caused by the tires sitting without movement for long periods of time under the trailer weight . . It's going to be a minor pain in the azz but I think we're gonna start blocking the trailer axles off the ground when we know the trailer won't move for a month or so. * *Tony in Texas * On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:08 AM, wrote: > Two friends of mine have recently had multiple trailer tire > failures (tread pealing off) while on trips. When purchasing replacement > tires, friend #2 was told that trailer tires delaminate in about 4 years. > The tire seller also mentioned that it was easy to determine when the > tires were near failure. He mentioned that the center section of the > tread raises up. So I go home and check out my 4 year old ST205/75-15's > and they are very distinctly raised in the center, approximately 1/4 inch. > When I checked the spare that is the same age as the tires on the > trailer- it looked normal. I am planning to buy 4 new tires come spring. > > Reading anything I could find on the web about trailer tires I > found the it is highly recommended to replace them every > 4 year. I also found info on tread delamination, I could not find any > thing mentioned about the tread raising up. > > Has anyone out there had similar experience with raised tread? > > > John DeSantis > Inficon > Phone 315-434-1196 > Fax 315-434-9908 > *********************************************************************** > NOTICE: - This message including any attachments is intended only for the > use of the designated recipient(s) named above and may contain > confidential information protected by law. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, > distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of > this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and > delete the original message including any attachments. > *********************************************************************** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as eltonclark at gmail.com > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From webmaster at norcal-saac.org Thu Oct 2 08:35:35 2008 From: webmaster at norcal-saac.org (Nor Cal SAAC) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:35:35 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E4DC37.1090509@norcal-saac.org> I've not seen or heard of raised tread, I have seen blisters... As have other's. I adhere to the 4-5 year life. It's the sitting in the sun that helps kill them. Tire covers help... I just had a flat tire at the top of the Grapevine coming back from Coronado Speed festival .... fortunately we stopped for gas and discovered it before going down the "hill" .. This was a new trailer ... big hunk of metal in the tire...yikes. -- Regards -------------- Walt Boeninger walt at boeninger.net webmaster at norcal-saac.org http://shelbytransam.com From jsnook at wcnet.org Thu Oct 2 08:51:29 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:51:29 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires References: Message-ID: <531AC2408CD940C4BFC7158461B95D9D@JeffsNotebook> Had a similar problem a couple weeks ago at Watkins Glen. One flat tire in the paddock. Replaced with the spare. Took the flat to Sasco who tried to repair and said the treads separated based upon them lifting up. Got halfway home and the spare let go in the middle of nowhere! Finally made it home and now have four new tires on the trailer. The previous ones were 5 years old. I guess changing around 4 - 5 years is a good idea! Jeff Snook www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John.Desantis at Inficon.com To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires Two friends of mine have recently had multiple trailer tire failures (tread pealing off) while on trips. When purchasing replacement tires, friend #2 was told that trailer tires delaminate in about 4 years. The tire seller also mentioned that it was easy to determine when the tires were near failure. He mentioned that the center section of the tread raises up. So I go home and check out my 4 year old ST205/75-15's and they are very distinctly raised in the center, approximately 1/4 inch. When I checked the spare that is the same age as the tires on the trailer- it looked normal. I am planning to buy 4 new tires come spring. Reading anything I could find on the web about trailer tires I found the it is highly recommended to replace them every 4 year. I also found info on tread delamination, I could not find any thing mentioned about the tread raising up. Has anyone out there had similar experience with raised tread? John DeSantis Inficon Phone 315-434-1196 Fax 315-434-9908 *********************************************************************** NOTICE: - This message including any attachments is intended only for the use of the designated recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1702 - Release Date: 10/1/2008 9:05 AM From carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 2 09:09:18 2008 From: carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net (Carl McLelland) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:09:18 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires References: Message-ID: <67D7CB7E1EF94E8093C63117E9B9751F@owner33025ef87> John, I've got Goodyear radial (trailer) tires on my enclosed car trailer. I've weighed it on certified scales (when loaded) and I'm about 5,200 pounds. (7,000 gross weight rating). I've experienced this with the tires beginning at about 3 years of age. I've noted the lifting (delamination) of the center of the tread, and also noted splitting of the sidewall near the edge of the tread coinciding with the delamination. My tire guys scientific explaination is.... "Yup, day'll do dat". Of interest I have bias ply tires on the boat trailer (8,000 pounds when loaded) and have never experienced this problem with that trailer. While the majority of the boat trips are to nearly Pyramid Lake (70 mile round trip), we've also made numerous trips to Lake Powell (1,700 mile round trip) so both trailer have been subjected to long trips with the tires getting fully heated. My tire guy also recommended bias ply tires for the car trailer next time I need skins for it.. Haven't decided if I'll go bias on the car trailer or Michelins, and not worry about it. Carl Lotus 61 FF ----- Original Message ----- From: John.Desantis at Inficon.com To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:08 AM Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires Two friends of mine have recently had multiple trailer tire failures (tread pealing off) while on trips. When purchasing replacement tires, friend #2 was told that trailer tires delaminate in about 4 years. The tire seller also mentioned that it was easy to determine when the tires were near failure. He mentioned that the center section of the tread raises up. So I go home and check out my 4 year old ST205/75-15's and they are very distinctly raised in the center, approximately 1/4 inch. When I checked the spare that is the same age as the tires on the trailer- it looked normal. I am planning to buy 4 new tires come spring. Reading anything I could find on the web about trailer tires I found the it is highly recommended to replace them every 4 year. I also found info on tread delamination, I could not find any thing mentioned about the tread raising up. Has anyone out there had similar experience with raised tread? John DeSantis Inficon Phone 315-434-1196 Fax 315-434-9908 *********************************************************************** NOTICE: - This message including any attachments is intended only for the use of the designated recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete the original message including any attachments. *********************************************************************** _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU Thu Oct 2 09:25:59 2008 From: jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU (John Caffrey) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:25:59 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E4E807.9050006@lehigh.edu> Over a 6 year span I destroyed 4 tandem fiberglass fenders on my 18" Pace American because of tire blowouts, and two of them were not due to age. The lightweight trailers that use the triangular torsion tube axles do not evenly distribute the weight on each axle unless the trailer is level, and because we towed with two different trucks, had not been careful in trailer leveling. When we were 1.5" higher in the front we would overload the tires on the rear-most axle. We have the highest load capacity 13 trailer tires, and there isn't room between the axles to switch to 14" so have to live with it.. I thought I had it figured out, but now will closely watch the tires for crowning. Thanks for the heads up. John Fogelsville, PA Elton E. (Tony) Clark wrote: > *We've experienced exactly the same thing and are becoming convinced the > phenom is caused by the tires sitting without movement for long periods of > time under the trailer weight . . It's going to be a minor pain in the azz > but I think we're gonna start blocking the trailer axles off the ground when > we know the trailer won't move for a month or so. * > *Tony in Texas * > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:08 AM, wrote: > > >> Two friends of mine have recently had multiple trailer tire >> failures (tread pealing off) while on trips. When purchasing replacement >> tires, friend #2 was told that trailer tires delaminate in about 4 years. >> The tire seller also mentioned that it was easy to determine when the >> tires were near failure. He mentioned that the center section of the >> tread raises up. So I go home and check out my 4 year old ST205/75-15's >> and they are very distinctly raised in the center, approximately 1/4 inch. >> When I checked the spare that is the same age as the tires on the >> trailer- it looked normal. I am planning to buy 4 new tires come spring. >> >> Reading anything I could find on the web about trailer tires I >> found the it is highly recommended to replace them every >> 4 year. I also found info on tread delamination, I could not find any >> thing mentioned about the tread raising up. >> >> Has anyone out there had similar experience with raised tread? From chris at cthompson.net Thu Oct 2 10:24:03 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:24:03 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires In-Reply-To: <67D7CB7E1EF94E8093C63117E9B9751F@owner33025ef87> References: <67D7CB7E1EF94E8093C63117E9B9751F@owner33025ef87> Message-ID: <48E4F5A3.4070104@cthompson.net> Always, always, use bias-ply tire on a trailer... Chris Lotus 51c Carl McLelland wrote: > John, > I've got Goodyear radial (trailer) tires on my enclosed car trailer. From carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 2 10:32:15 2008 From: carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net (Carl McLelland) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:32:15 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires References: <48E4E807.9050006@lehigh.edu> Message-ID: I didn't even think of mentioning that.... That's why i weighed the darn trailer.. Even though at 5,200 pounds the necessity of a load leveling hitch is marginal, I went with one anyway. Then "jumped through all the hoops" to get the ride height of the tongue with the trailer perfectly level. THEN, determined the height of the trailer hitch ball with the motorhome fully loaded, and finally made a custom receiver bar for the equalizer hitch. It may have been an 'exercise in futility', but at least it tows like it's not back there. Also of note; that was two years ago now, and I've not had ANY tire delamination whatever. (And having said that, I"m out the door for Willow Springs in about 20 minutes and will probably blow all four tires before we're home...). Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: John Caffrey To: Elton E. (Tony) Clark Cc: John.Desantis at inficon.com ; vintage-race at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires Over a 6 year span I destroyed 4 tandem fiberglass fenders on my 18" Pace American because of tire blowouts, and two of them were not due to age. The lightweight trailers that use the triangular torsion tube axles do not evenly distribute the weight on each axle unless the trailer is level, and because we towed with two different trucks, had not been careful in trailer leveling. When we were 1.5" higher in the front we would overload the tires on the rear-most axle. We have the highest load capacity 13 trailer tires, and there isn't room between the axles to switch to 14" so have to live with it.. I thought I had it figured out, but now will closely watch the tires for crowning. Thanks for the heads up. John Fogelsville, PA Elton E. (Tony) Clark wrote: > *We've experienced exactly the same thing and are becoming convinced the > phenom is caused by the tires sitting without movement for long periods of > time under the trailer weight . . It's going to be a minor pain in the azz > but I think we're gonna start blocking the trailer axles off the ground when > we know the trailer won't move for a month or so. * > *Tony in Texas * > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:08 AM, wrote: > > >> Two friends of mine have recently had multiple trailer tire >> failures (tread pealing off) while on trips. When purchasing replacement >> tires, friend #2 was told that trailer tires delaminate in about 4 years. >> The tire seller also mentioned that it was easy to determine when the >> tires were near failure. He mentioned that the center section of the >> tread raises up. So I go home and check out my 4 year old ST205/75-15's >> and they are very distinctly raised in the center, approximately 1/4 inch. >> When I checked the spare that is the same age as the tires on the >> trailer- it looked normal. I am planning to buy 4 new tires come spring. >> >> Reading anything I could find on the web about trailer tires I >> found the it is highly recommended to replace them every >> 4 year. I also found info on tread delamination, I could not find any >> thing mentioned about the tread raising up. >> >> Has anyone out there had similar experience with raised tread? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From mhkitchen at aol.com Thu Oct 2 11:20:01 2008 From: mhkitchen at aol.com (mhkitchen at aol.com) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:20:01 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires In-Reply-To: <48E4E807.9050006@lehigh.edu> References: <48E4E807.9050006@lehigh.edu> Message-ID: <8CAF2CA3C94575C-15A0-DEB@mblk-d24.sysops.aol.com> All: Interesting discussion and timely as I just had a trailer tire blow-out yesterday! B One of three remaining original Carlisle tires on my 2000 Carson trailer let go on HWY 101 near Gonzales CA in 100 deg heat. B It definitely delaminated as the tread is still mostly intact, but definitely separating from the tire body. Of course, these tires are at least 8 years old, but have little tread wear on them, and not that many miles (although one other blew out about 5 years ago). These are on a 20ft enclosed trailer, and it was hauling a Mini at the time (estimate about 5,000 lb GVW). B With no spare, I took off the blown tire and wheel and I managed to stuff a 4 X 4 block between the spring perch and the frame to keep the front axle off the ground. B I pumped up the remaining tire on that side to 60 psi, and then limped home at 45MPH on the 3 remaining wheels the remaining 70 miles (convinced me to also buy a spare for this thing). B Taking the weight off the wheels is probably a good idea if you don't tow it often. B I also wonder as that side of the trailer gets more daily sun, and perhaps those tires are getting too much UV exposure? B Perhaps tire covers are also a good idea if you don't drive a lot? Most of these tires are all made in China now, which also causes some concerns. B Anyone have any tire brand/model recommendations here? Regards, Myles H. Kitchen 1965 Lotus Cortina Mk1 #1280A -----Original Message----- From: John Caffrey To: Elton E. (Tony) Clark Cc: John.Desantis at inficon.com; vintage-race at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 8:25 am Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires Over a 6 year span I destroyed 4 tandem fiberglass fenders on my 18" Pace American because of tire blowouts, and two of them were not due to age. The lightweight trailers that use the triangular torsion tube axles do not evenly distribute the weight on each axle unless the trailer is level, and because we towed with two different trucks, had not been careful in trailer leveling. When we were 1.5" higher in the front we would overload the tires on the rear-most axle. We have the highest load capacity 13 trailer tires, and there isn't room between the axles to switch to 14" so have to live with it.. I thought I had it figured out, but now will closely watch the tires for crowning. Thanks for the heads up. John Fogelsville, PA Elton E. (Tony) Clark wrote: > *We've experienced exactly the same thing and are becoming convinced the > phenom is caused by the tires sitting without movement for long periods of > time under the trailer weight . . It's going to be a minor pain in the azz > but I think we're gonna start blocking the trailer axles off the ground when > we know the trailer won't move for a month or so. * > *Tony in Texas * > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:08 AM, wrote : > > >> Two friends of mine have recently had multiple trailer tire >> failures (tread pealing off) while on trips. When purchasing replacement >> tires, friend #2 was told that trailer tires delaminate in about 4 years. >> The tire seller also mentioned that it was easy to determine when the >> tires were near failure. He mentioned that the center section of the >> tread raises up. So I go home and check out my 4 year old ST205/75-15's >> and they are very distinctly raised in the center, approximately 1/4 inch. >> When I checked the spare that is the same age as the tires on the >> trailer- it looked normal. I am planning to buy 4 new tires come spring. >> >> Reading anything I could find on the web about trailer tires I >> found the it is highly recommended to replace them every >> 4 year. I also found info on tread delamination, I could not find any >> thing mentioned about the tread raising up. >> >> Has anyone out there had similar experience with raised tread? You are subscribed as mhkitchen at aol.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From mhkitchen at aol.com Thu Oct 2 11:24:02 2008 From: mhkitchen at aol.com (mhkitchen at aol.com) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:24:02 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer Tires Message-ID: <8CAF2CACC48CC84-15A0-E35@mblk-d24.sysops.aol.com> All: Interesting discussion and timely as I just had a trailer tire blow-out yesterday! B One of three remaining original Carlisle tires on my 2000 Carson trailer let go on HWY 101 near Gonzales CA in 100 deg heat. B It definitely delaminated as the tread is still mostly intact, but definitely separating from the tire body. Of course, these tires are at least 8 years old, but have little tread wear on them, and not that many miles (although one other blew out about 5 years ago). These are on a 20ft enclosed trailer, and it was hauling a Mini at the time (estimate about 5,000 lb GVW). B With no spare, I took off the blown tire and wheel and I managed to stuff a 4 X 4 block between the spring perch and the frame to keep the front axle off the ground. B I pumped up the remaining tire on that side to 60 psi, and then limped home at 45MPH on the 3 remaining wheels the remaining 70 miles (convinced me to also buy a spare for this thing). B Taking the weight off the wheels is probably a good idea if you don't tow it often. B I also wonder as that side of the trailer gets more daily sun, and perhaps those tires are getting too much UV exposure? B Perhaps tire covers are also a good idea if you don't drive a lot? Most of these tires are all made in China now, which also causes some concerns. B Anyone have any tire brand/model recommendations20here? Regards, Myles H. Kitchen 1965 Lotus Cortina Mk1 #128=0 A From twobees at sprynet.com Thu Oct 2 12:39:23 2008 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:39:23 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires Message-ID: <004b01c924be$31833b80$6401a8c0@normoffice> All this discussion has me thinking about one of those remote, digital tire pressure monitors. While it wouldn't do anything to warn of a puncture, it might give indication of heat build-up that leads to de-lamination. And, even with a puncture, I had one on a dual-axle trailer & drove with it for a while because the trailer & racecar towed so well even with 1 tire down. I've seen them for a couple hundred dollars that monitor pressure & temp. Can't seem to find the company name right now though. When I do, I'll post it. Norm Sippel 20' ATC From webmaster at norcal-saac.org Thu Oct 2 14:00:08 2008 From: webmaster at norcal-saac.org (Nor Cal SAAC) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:00:08 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires In-Reply-To: <48E4F5A3.4070104@cthompson.net> References: <67D7CB7E1EF94E8093C63117E9B9751F@owner33025ef87> <48E4F5A3.4070104@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <48E52848.4040102@norcal-saac.org> Chris Thompson wrote: > Always, always, use bias-ply tire on a trailer... > Why? I heard this decades ago, but both trailers I have came with Goodyear Marathon radials new and I've been using them for 10 years..... Walt From anngene at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 2 14:08:19 2008 From: anngene at bellsouth.net (anngene at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:08:19 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer Tires References: <8CAF2CACC48CC84-15A0-E35@mblk-d24.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Just a reminder about inflation and speed with regards to trailer tires: http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/goodyear/Marathon_Special_Trailer_Applications.pdf Best regards Gene Gillam Saucier, MS From datsit at hotmail.com Thu Oct 2 14:36:55 2008 From: datsit at hotmail.com (Mike jennings) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:36:55 +0000 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires Message-ID: It must be you guys using closed trailers & hot temps down south, I have 3 trailers (open) in Canada & the tires must be 10 or so years old or older, covered when parked & checked for pressure before heading out to many a race track in the northeast USA & Canada, never changed a single tire !!!! From dgreimel at comcast.net Thu Oct 2 14:53:20 2008 From: dgreimel at comcast.net (DGreimel) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:53:20 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires References: <004b01c924be$31833b80$6401a8c0@normoffice> Message-ID: <001701c924d0$e8072670$506f3144@D14WFJ81> When the tread came off of my trailer tyre it did not loose pressure. I discovered it when I had stopped for the night. A pressure monitor would not have helped untill it blew out. Don Greimel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norm 2Bs" To: "Vintage Racing Digest" Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires > All this discussion has me thinking about one of those remote, digital > tire > pressure monitors. While it wouldn't do anything to warn of a puncture, > it > might give indication of heat build-up that leads to de-lamination. And, > even with a puncture, I had one on a dual-axle trailer & drove with it for > a > while because the trailer & racecar towed so well even with 1 tire down. > > I've seen them for a couple hundred dollars that monitor pressure & temp. > Can't seem to find the company name right now though. When I do, I'll > post > it. > > Norm Sippel > 20' ATC > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dgreimel at comcast.net > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From dgreimel at comcast.net Thu Oct 2 15:32:57 2008 From: dgreimel at comcast.net (DGreimel) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:32:57 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires References: Message-ID: <000701c924d6$710760c0$506f3144@D14WFJ81> Keeping those trailers covered is probably the key. UV deterioration seems to be the culprit and newer tyres seem to be more of a problem than older ones. I used old tyres for many years without problems but that was in the 60's and 70's, Like many things, newer is poorer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike jennings" To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:36 PM Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires > It must be you guys using closed trailers & hot temps down south, I have 3 > trailers (open) in Canada & the tires must be 10 or so years old or older, > covered when parked & checked for pressure before heading out to many a > race > track in the northeast USA & Canada, never changed a single tire !!!! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dgreimel at comcast.net > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From ssteers at comcast.net Thu Oct 2 15:46:58 2008 From: ssteers at comcast.net (Steve Steers) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:46:58 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires In-Reply-To: <001701c924d0$e8072670$506f3144@D14WFJ81> Message-ID: <000b01c924d8$656dcb80$3258fea9@desktop> Years ago I blew caps off tires hauling a heavy car at speeds around 70. It was my first trailer and I was hauling a heavy 37 Lincoln Zephyr coupe to Hershey. The tires were old and checked, but had good tread. I ended up replacing them on the road. I just changed my trailer tires after 7 years. No blowouts. They were D Rated, had plenty of tread but on inspection, one had a bulge, and another was cupping. The trailer is stored inside, so there was no sun/ozone damage. My view is the combination of age, high loads and lower than max pressures is what gets them. Heat is the enemy. Low pressure causes high flexing and that generates enormous heat, creating a set up for failure. Steve Steers 1958 Echidna -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces+ssteers=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces+ssteers=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DGreimel Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:53 PM To: twobees at sprynet.com; Vintage Racing Digest Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires When the tread came off of my trailer tyre it did not loose pressure. I discovered it when I had stopped for the night. A pressure monitor would not have helped untill it blew out. Don Greimel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norm 2Bs" To: "Vintage Racing Digest" Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires > All this discussion has me thinking about one of those remote, digital > tire > pressure monitors. While it wouldn't do anything to warn of a puncture, > it > might give indication of heat build-up that leads to de-lamination. And, > even with a puncture, I had one on a dual-axle trailer & drove with it for > a > while because the trailer & racecar towed so well even with 1 tire down. > > I've seen them for a couple hundred dollars that monitor pressure & temp. > Can't seem to find the company name right now though. When I do, I'll > post > it. > > Norm Sippel > 20' ATC > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dgreimel at comcast.net > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From chris at cthompson.net Thu Oct 2 19:41:36 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:41:36 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires In-Reply-To: <48E52848.4040102@norcal-saac.org> References: <67D7CB7E1EF94E8093C63117E9B9751F@owner33025ef87> <48E4F5A3.4070104@cthompson.net> <48E52848.4040102@norcal-saac.org> Message-ID: <48E57850.2090703@cthompson.net> Radial tires were invented to give additional traction during turning (up to a point of course - and then they let go in a more dramatic way). The flexible sidewall is the key. Trailer tires primarily need to give traction primarily when stopping. The flexible side-walls of radial tires can increase sway in a trailer. Bias-ply have much stiffer sidewalls, and are beautifully suited to trailer applications. I will amend my always, always statement. There are some radials specially designed with stiffer sidewalls for trailer application to satisfy those folks who think radials are always better. But you have to make sure to get these, and not ordinary car tires to put on your trailer.... Regards, Chris Nor Cal SAAC wrote: > > Chris Thompson wrote: >> Always, always, use bias-ply tire on a trailer... >> > > Why? I heard this decades ago, but both trailers I have > came with Goodyear Marathon radials new and I've been > using them for 10 years..... > > Walt From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Oct 2 20:51:37 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:51:37 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Non vintage racer, Fiat Spider on craigs list Message-ID: <20081003025144.91F03187665@autox.team.net> Ran across this looking for a cheap 5 speed Honda / Toyota for my daughter. "Fun little car to drive. Runs great! Only about 700 miles on a rebuilt motor. Minimal rust. Needs new bumpers. I have new quarter panels for both front and back sides of car. New soft top on car. Also have hard top that just needs refurnished. About 4 boxes of spare parts will be given to buyer. I was awarded this car in a divorce and just looking to get rid of it. For additional information or a quicker response call 309-343-5873. Ask for Stephanie. " sale-863542369 at craigslist.org Galesburg, IL, $2000 http://quadcities.craigslist.org/cto/863542369.html Looks decent in the little pics on Craigslist. NFI Tony Drews From jpetrush at sc.rr.com Thu Oct 2 20:56:29 2008 From: jpetrush at sc.rr.com (John P) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:56:29 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires In-Reply-To: <8CAF2CA3C94575C-15A0-DEB@mblk-d24.sysops.aol.com> References: <48E4E807.9050006@lehigh.edu> <8CAF2CA3C94575C-15A0-DEB@mblk-d24.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001b01c92503$a2dc0e70$e8942b50$@rr.com> >> Anyone have any tire brand/model recommendations here? Only GoodYear Marathons. Ever. Low pressure is the culprit most of the time. Too high a sustained speed is a close second. The loads we put in our toy boxes can not be sustained at 70+ mph for hours on end. The trailer tires just give up - usually suddenly. Make sure the pressure is at or near the rated max, and ease up a little. Save the real speed for the race track. John P 1988 Ralt RT-5 Super Vee From webmaster at norcal-saac.org Thu Oct 2 21:24:26 2008 From: webmaster at norcal-saac.org (Nor Cal SAAC) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:24:26 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires In-Reply-To: <48E57850.2090703@cthompson.net> References: <67D7CB7E1EF94E8093C63117E9B9751F@owner33025ef87> <48E4F5A3.4070104@cthompson.net> <48E52848.4040102@norcal-saac.org> <48E57850.2090703@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <48E5906A.7010509@norcal-saac.org> Chris Thompson wrote: > > I will amend my always, always statement. There are some radials > specially designed with stiffer sidewalls for trailer application to > satisfy those folks who think radials are always better. But you have > to make sure to get these, and not ordinary car tires to put on your > trailer.... I think that's the key point. Trailer tires have unique characteristics. Back in the 60s you could use a passenger car tire on your trailer, but a Passenger car *radial* was a bad idea. Now that they make *trailer* radials it's a moot point.... but I'm sure many people still are unaware of the importance of buying "trailer" tires. Walt From webmaster at norcal-saac.org Thu Oct 2 21:35:37 2008 From: webmaster at norcal-saac.org (Nor Cal SAAC) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:35:37 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires In-Reply-To: <004b01c924be$31833b80$6401a8c0@normoffice> References: <004b01c924be$31833b80$6401a8c0@normoffice> Message-ID: <48E59309.8080506@norcal-saac.org> I have used these from Tire Rack http://www.smartire.com/ I had an early system that was marginal for trailer use due to signal strength. They came out with a revised receiver with an antenna that worked much better. But then I managed to blow up the receiver by trying to plug the power connector in without looking and hit the remote head connector instead ..... oops. ...but I don't think they're still in the market. Some friends locally have sensors that simply screw onto the valve stem. Which are easy to install, but introduce another point of failure. http://tinyurl.com/4lxwck Here's a valve stem system http://www.advantagepressurepro.com/_Products/index.htm -- Regards -------------- Walt Boeninger walt at boeninger.net webmaster at norcal-saac.org Norm 2Bs wrote: > All this discussion has me thinking about one of those remote, digital tire > pressure monitors. While it wouldn't do anything to warn of a puncture, it > might give indication of heat build-up that leads to de-lamination. And, > even with a puncture, I had one on a dual-axle trailer & drove with it for a > while because the trailer & racecar towed so well even with 1 tire down. > > I've seen them for a couple hundred dollars that monitor pressure & temp. > Can't seem to find the company name right now though. When I do, I'll post > it. > > Norm Sippel > 20' ATC From britbits at netzero.com Thu Oct 2 21:40:03 2008 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:40:03 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires In-Reply-To: <48E57850.2090703@cthompson.net> References: <67D7CB7E1EF94E8093C63117E9B9751F@owner33025ef87><48E4F5A3.4070104@cthompson.net> <48E52848.4040102@norcal-saac.org> <48E57850.2090703@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <003c01c92509$b8f61c40$31503542@jrg> In 1998 when I bought trailer tires from Discount Tires I went with the "4 for $100" specials. They tried hard to talk me into proper bias ply trailer tires ("we'll replace them free if they ever fail"). $100 per tire was a bit too steep for my budget. In 2002 I had 3 of the 4 cheap tires fail on a trip from Dallas to NJ to Dallas. When I went to the trailer dealer up in OK for new tires that fall? Remington Radials. It was all they carried They're now 6 years old and I'm not sure whether I want to make another long haul trip. Still look ok, and I've tried to keep them out of the sun. I've seen Goodyears flagged as Trailer tires. I hope those gents know how to do a tire. ;) Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces+britbits=netzero.net at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces+britbits=netzero.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:42 PM To: Nor Cal SAAC Cc: vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires Radial tires were invented to give additional traction during turning (up to a point of course - and then they let go in a more dramatic way). The flexible sidewall is the key. Trailer tires primarily need to give traction primarily when stopping. The flexible side-walls of radial tires can increase sway in a trailer. Bias-ply have much stiffer sidewalls, and are beautifully suited to trailer applications. I will amend my always, always statement. There are some radials specially designed with stiffer sidewalls for trailer application to satisfy those folks who think radials are always better. But you have to make sure to get these, and not ordinary car tires to put on your trailer.... Regards, Chris Nor Cal SAAC wrote: > > Chris Thompson wrote: >> Always, always, use bias-ply tire on a trailer... >> > > Why? I heard this decades ago, but both trailers I have came with > Goodyear Marathon radials new and I've been using them for 10 > years..... > > Walt You are subscribed as britbits at netzero.net Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race ____________________________________________________________ Click for free information on accounting careers, $150 hour potential. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s2YLaVNphfoLbLlc8FxE7Shpkh8L1p6Xn4chujyS2oGmbS6/ From dgreimel at comcast.net Fri Oct 3 02:55:32 2008 From: dgreimel at comcast.net (DGreimel) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 04:55:32 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires References: <67D7CB7E1EF94E8093C63117E9B9751F@owner33025ef87><48E4F5A3.4070104@cthompson.net> <48E52848.4040102@norcal-saac.org><48E57850.2090703@cthompson.net> <48E5906A.7010509@norcal-saac.org> Message-ID: <001101c92535$cc0e3f70$506f3144@D14WFJ81> When I asked a Good Year dealer about the difference in trailer tires he said " I think they just have more UV protection in them ". So what is the importance of buying them ??? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nor Cal SAAC" To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires > Chris Thompson wrote: > >> >> I will amend my always, always statement. There are some radials >> specially designed with stiffer sidewalls for trailer application to >> satisfy those folks who think radials are always better. But you have >> to make sure to get these, and not ordinary car tires to put on your >> trailer.... > > I think that's the key point. Trailer tires have unique characteristics. > Back in the 60s you could use a passenger car tire on your trailer, > but a Passenger car *radial* was a bad idea. Now that they make *trailer* > radials it's a moot point.... but I'm sure many people still are unaware > of the importance of buying "trailer" tires. > > Walt > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dgreimel at comcast.net > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From micritz at mindspring.com Fri Oct 3 10:55:10 2008 From: micritz at mindspring.com (Mike/Shelley Ritz) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:55:10 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires Message-ID: <11231943.1223052910580.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Count me in on the bunch that thinks "there is NO good trailer tire". I've always kept mine up to the maximum pressure on the sidewall before every trip, used proper ST (trailer) tires, even upgraded my tires from 205s to 225s rated with an E load rating. I've used Goodyears and Carlysles, all have failed on and off, some within 3 years. I carry two spares with me always. This is on a light 20 foot trailer (not some monster 28 ft), towing my Barracuda. I've never lost one while towing empty, BTW, but then again that is not the norm. The side loading on the tires, especially with duals is great. If you have ever seen a trailer doing a sharp turn you know what I mean. The tread is getting ripped off the cord from the side loads. Again, there is NO good trailer tire, it is just the luck of the draw. Just carry at least one spare, and always have a jack strong enough to jack up the trailer WITH THE CAR IN IT. Mike Ritz Scappoose, OR 66 Plymouth Barracuda -----Original Message----- >From: John P >Sent: Oct 2, 2008 7:56 PM >To: vintage-race at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires > >>> Anyone have any tire brand/model recommendations here? > >Only GoodYear Marathons. >Ever. > >Low pressure is the culprit most of the time. Too high a sustained speed is >a close second. The loads we put in our toy boxes can not be sustained at >70+ mph for hours on end. The trailer tires just give up - usually >suddenly. Make sure the pressure is at or near the rated max, and ease up a >little. Save the real speed for the race track. > >John P >1988 Ralt RT-5 Super Vee >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as micritz at mindspring.com > >Vintage-race at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From jimf42 at rocketmail.com Fri Oct 3 11:23:37 2008 From: jimf42 at rocketmail.com (jim fuerstenberg) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires Message-ID: <572033.23438.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> rather than carry a heavy jack (which I do anyway) is a pair of heavy duty polyethylene ramps...much easier to get the trailer up in air...at least with a 2 axle trailer. (thanks to Rick G for this idea). Jim Fuerstenberg 'The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong, it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair.' (Douglas Adams) ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike/Shelley Ritz To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, October 3, 2008 11:55:10 AM Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires Count me in on the bunch that thinks "there is NO good trailer tire". I've always kept mine up to the maximum pressure on the sidewall before every trip, used proper ST (trailer) tires, even upgraded my tires from 205s to 225s rated with an E load rating. I've used Goodyears and Carlysles, all have failed on and off, some within 3 years. I carry two spares with me always. This is on a light 20 foot trailer (not some monster 28 ft), towing my Barracuda. I've never lost one while towing empty, BTW, but then again that is not the norm. The side loading on the tires, especially with duals is great. If you have ever seen a trailer doing a sharp turn you know what I mean. The tread is getting ripped off the cord from the side loads. Again, there is NO good trailer tire, it is just the luck of the draw. Just carry at least one spare, and always have a jack strong enough to jack up the trailer WITH THE CAR IN IT. Mike Ritz Scappoose, OR 66 Plymouth Barracuda -----Original Message----- >From: John P >Sent: Oct 2, 2008 7:56 PM >To: vintage-race at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires > >>> Anyone have any tire brand/model recommendations here? > >Only GoodYear Marathons. >Ever. > >Low pressure is the culprit most of the time. Too high a sustained speed is >a close second. The loads we put in our toy boxes can not be sustained at >70+ mph for hours on end. The trailer tires just give up - usually >suddenly. Make sure the pressure is at or near the rated max, and ease up a >little. Save the real speed for the race track. > >John P >1988 Ralt RT-5 Super Vee >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as micritz at mindspring.com > >Vintage-race at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as jimf42 at rocketmail.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From samandgreg at netins.net Fri Oct 3 11:26:09 2008 From: samandgreg at netins.net (Sam & Greg) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:26:09 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires In-Reply-To: <11231943.1223052910580.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa .earthlink.net> References: <11231943.1223052910580.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: A friend has a large gooseneck trailer, probably around 40' with triple axles. He was going through one or two tires almost every trip. He finally purchased 6 of the Michelin "Commercial" truck tires and has not had a problem since. They are pricey but may be worth considering. It seems that overkill is worth the extra cost. On my 24' Haulmark with a loaded weight of about 6K, I finally increased the size to 225/75-15 and went from load range C to D. They are now 7 years old and I haven't had a single failure (Yet!:-). But, your mileage may vary. Greg S. 82 Ralt RT5 Citation 95SF From note4don at live.com Fri Oct 3 13:10:31 2008 From: note4don at live.com (note4don at live.com) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:10:31 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires In-Reply-To: <11231943.1223052910580.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <11231943.1223052910580.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Carrying a ramp that allows you to pull up onto the good tire is a must, along with a healthy spare. Camping World has the plastic ramps, but they are very expensive. I fastened a series of short boards together into a ramp and that works fine. I have used it twice in the last two years, even with NEW trailer tires. Of course this only applies to four wheel trailers. Anyone towing an expensive vintage car on a two wheel trailer is an accident waiting to happen. All of this goes double for your RV. A friend blew the inside rear tire on his RV and wiped out a very expensive exhaust system. Don Queen From dmeadow at juno.com Sat Oct 4 12:17:10 2008 From: dmeadow at juno.com (David Littlefield) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:17:10 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires Message-ID: <20081004.131711.324.0.dmeadow@juno.com> I've got a system I bought on eBay for about $100. The brand name is Valet and it is model TPMS400. It includes a high temperature warning. I haven't installed it, yet, since it requires dismounting and remounting the tires. I probably won't bother with it until I need to replace the tires. They are the cheap Chinese tires that came on the trailer new, so that probably won't be too long. David Littlefield On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:39:23 -0400 "Norm 2Bs" writes: > All this discussion has me thinking about one of those remote, > digital tire > pressure monitors. While it wouldn't do anything to warn of a > puncture, it > might give indication of heat build-up that leads to de-lamination. > And, > even with a puncture, I had one on a dual-axle trailer & drove with > it for a > while because the trailer & racecar towed so well even with 1 tire > down. > > I've seen them for a couple hundred dollars that monitor pressure & > temp. > Can't seem to find the company name right now though. When I do, > I'll post > it. > > Norm Sippel > 20' ATC > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dmeadow at juno.com > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race > > ____________________________________________________________ Increase your income. Click here be trained as a medical transcriptionist. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nFN8t1LA1YGPQ2dbxqZUC0Xe4SBsBl8UgR0mjp3Q2RGFzFY/ From Awgertoo at aol.com Sat Oct 4 09:58:06 2008 From: Awgertoo at aol.com (Awgertoo at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:58:06 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] Hunt Country Classic Message-ID: If you live anywhere near Middleburg VA (about 50 miles west of the DC beltway in the beautiful VA countryside) you might enjoy bringing your British race car and entering it in the race car class at the Hunt Country Classic next Sunday. See the event flyer at the below link. _http://www.mgcarclubdc.com/hcc/hcc_main.html_ (http://www.mgcarclubdc.com/hcc/hcc_main.html) Or just come to the show. HCC is held at Willoughsby Farm and our hosts are Bill and Barbara Scott, owners of Summit Point Raceways. Race cars are usually displayed prominently near the entrance road and access to that point from the nearby parking area where you can dock your trailer and unload is level, etc. I'm bringing my Elva Courier and I understand several other area racers are entering their British race cars too. Perhaps we can tell even larger lies than usual and give the crowds a big thrill. I will probably bring along a laptop and replay some recent videos shot from the chase cam so if you have any footage that can be transferred onto either a flashcard or memory stick bring it with you and we'll see who was really in front of whom! It's probably too late to preregister for the event but if you contact any of the organizers in the MG Car Club (email addresses shown above) I am sure they will appreciate knowing of your interest. This is a great car show set in beautiful surroundings and proceeds go to benefit a good cause. Best--Michael Oritt Elva Courier #82 **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From mhkitchen at aol.com Sat Oct 4 18:57:36 2008 From: mhkitchen at aol.com (mhkitchen at aol.com) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:57:36 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires In-Reply-To: <004b01c924be$31833b80$6401a8c0@normoffice> References: <004b01c924be$31833b80$6401a8c0@normoffice> Message-ID: <8CAF49C7DE71B38-6B4-9CB@WEBMAIL-MY20.sysops.aol.com> Norm and all: FYI, I've had some experience with these systems, although I don't currently own one. B I've worked on them in the past, and I'm actually a member of the SAE Tire Pressure Monitoring Standards committee and help draft the SAE standards for these. The "active" systems (i.e. the ones that have in-wheel sensors) are the best and most reliable. B I'm familiar with the SmarTire System mentioned earlier and its my personal opinion that its probably the most robust of the offerings, and best suited to trailer applications. B It is costly, however, and installation is relatively involved. B SmarTire has been working in this area longer than nearly everyone, including the current OEM suppliers (Schrader-Bridgeport, Siemens, BERU). B They're probably the only SERIOUS system offered in the aftermarket. B They also make systems for semi trucks, Indy cars, Lamborghini's, Rolls Royce's, RV's, and light rail systems. The good news is that they can be programmed to monitor both temp and pressure, and can alert you to increasing temps that could signal a problem in advance of a blowout. B Although they transmit wirelessly to a receiver, you still have to wire in the receiver, and if the trailer axles are too far away, then you may have to wire in a repeater, or external antenna. I have personally tried the mechanical valve stem caps that change colors. B Their big problem is they leak! B I had two fail and create flats. There are also some with t ransmitter/sensors that mount to existing valve stems. B Those have been questionable as well. B Their batteries have limited life, they have a lot of rotating mass on a suspect mounting stem (the valve stem). B As you said, they are a bit of early warning, but they can't help you much if you run over something, other than to let you know you have a low tire (which you'll probably notice....however, one of my blowouts when undetected for over a mile until I saw smoke coming off the wheel in the mirrors). Regards, Myles -----Original Message----- From: Norm 2Bs To: Vintage Racing Digest Sent: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:39 am Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires All this discussion has me thinking about one of those remote, digital tire pressure monitors. While it wouldn't do anything to warn of a puncture, it might give indication of heat build-up that leads to de-lamination. And, even with a puncture, I had one on a dual-axle trailer & drove with it for a while because the trailer & racecar towed so well even with 1 tire down. I've seen them for a couple hundred dollars that monitor pressure & temp. Can't seem to find the company name right now though. When I do, I'll post it. Norm Sippel 20' ATC You are subscribed as mhkitchen at aol.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From mhkitchen at aol.com Sat Oct 4 18:57:43 2008 From: mhkitchen at aol.com (mhkitchen at aol.com) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:57:43 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires In-Reply-To: <004b01c924be$31833b80$6401a8c0@normoffice> References: <004b01c924be$31833b80$6401a8c0@normoffice> Message-ID: <8CAF49C822FD4F0-6B4-9CD@WEBMAIL-MY20.sysops.aol.com> Norm and all: FYI, I've had some experience with these systems, although I don't currently own one. B I've worked on them in the past, and I'm actually a member of the SAE Tire Pressure Monitoring Standards committee and help draft the SAE standards for these. The "active" systems (i.e. the ones that have in-wheel sensors) are the best and most reliable. B I'm familiar with the SmarTire System mentioned earlier and its my personal opinion that its probably the most robust of the offerings, and best suited to trailer applications. B It is costly, however, and installation is relatively involved. B SmarTire has been working in this area longer than nearly everyone, including the current OEM suppliers (Schrader-Bridgeport, Siemens, BERU). B They're probably the only SERIOUS system offered in the aftermarket. B They also make systems for semi trucks, Indy cars, Lamborghini's, Rolls Royce's, RV's, and light rail systems. The good news is that they can be programmed to monitor both temp and pressure, and can alert you to increasing temps that could signal a problem in advance of a blowout. B Although they transmit wirelessly to a receiver, you still have to wire in the receiver, and if the trailer axles are too far away, then you may have to wire in a repeater, or external antenna. I have personally tried the mechanical valve stem caps that change colors. B Their big problem is they leak! B I had two fail and create flats. There are also some with t ransmitter/sensors that mount to existing valve stems. B Those have been questionable as well. B Their batteries have limited life, they have a lot of rotating mass on a suspect mounting stem (the valve stem). B As you said, they are a bit of early warning, but they can't help you much if you run over something, other than to let you know you have a low tire (which you'll probably notice....however, one of my blowouts when undetected for over a mile until I saw smoke coming off the wheel in the mirrors). Regards, Myles -----Original Message----- From: Norm 2Bs To: Vintage Racing Digest Sent: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:39 am Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Trailer tires All this discussion has me thinking about one of those remote, digital tire pressure monitors. While it wouldn't do anything to warn of a puncture, it might give indication of heat build-up that leads to de-lamination. And, even with a puncture, I had one on a dual-axle trailer & drove with it for a while because the trailer & racecar towed so well even with 1 tire down. I've seen them for a couple hundred dollars that monitor pressure & temp. Can't seem to find the company name right now though. When I do, I'll post it. Norm Sippel 20' ATC You are subscribed as mhkitchen at aol.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From franks97 at verizon.net Tue Oct 21 21:54:18 2008 From: franks97 at verizon.net (Franks) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:54:18 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Oregon Region Vintage Points Message-ID: Congratulations to the 2008 Vintage Class Champions! The full points breakdown can be found here : VP1 1 - Bob Dustan 2 - Steve Rux 3 - Jim Sterling VP2 1 - Tim Scott 2 - Hans Gutman (Rookie) 3 - Phillip Weaver VP3 1 - Michael Smith (Rookie) 2 - Norm Daniels VFSR 1 - Dan Mullin 2 - Greg Baldwin 3 - J.M. Schumate Thanks to the 74 drivers who participated in the vintage groups over the course of the year. The following is from the region9s vintage supplemental regulations: PURPOSE: To provide a venue for people with competition cars who, for various reasons, no longer wish to participate in full Regional or National competition events yet want to continue involvement in road racing. Preservation of these cars in a racing environment is viewed as important to the sport and to our club. DRIVER CONDUCT: Vintage racing is NOT the same as competition for current cars. Although competitive in a sense, the primary purpose is NOT winning. Cut and thrust competition is available in regular Regional and National racing groups. Vintage drivers are expected to provide a safe and enjoyable environment for all participants and spectators. If you have suggestions for next years regulations please contact Dan Mullin or me ;-) -- David Franks franks97 at verizon.net 67 AH Sprite #82 Blue From mark at bradakis.com Sat Oct 25 16:01:03 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:01:03 -0600 Subject: [Vintage-race] Discussing other types of racing Message-ID: <4903971F.2000609@bradakis.com> Over the last few days I've been fussing about with some updated forum software for Team.Net. I've set up a few new forums, including one called 'Bench Racing' I know a number of you folks are interested in other types of racing, so maybe some might be interested in a venue for such discussion. Check out http://www.team.net/forums mjb. From royale617 at comcast.net Sat Oct 11 18:04:19 2008 From: royale617 at comcast.net (DRR) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:04:19 -0600 Subject: [Vintage-race] Lola T-210 / T212 body molds Message-ID: <48F13F03.8060509@comcast.net> Does anybody know of anyone who has, or anywhere I can find Lola T-210 or T-212 body molds in the U.S? Thanks. ~ Dick Rothman Denver, CO From Awgertoo at aol.com Sat Oct 25 18:49:56 2008 From: Awgertoo at aol.com (Awgertoo at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:49:56 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] Discussing other types of racing Message-ID: I liked the prattle post--a very convincing argument indeed. Best--Michael Oritt ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------- In a message dated 10/25/2008 6:29:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark at bradakis.com writes: http://www.team.net/forums **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics b check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From lon at sedona.net Sun Oct 26 16:20:13 2008 From: lon at sedona.net (Lon) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:20:13 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Transponder care In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c937c1$6685f280$3391d780$@net> I'm stumped . . . do I keep this puppy plugged in and fully charged through the winter or let it cycle dead and wait since it is good for only so many charges? Lon Elva Courier From carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 26 17:01:16 2008 From: carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net (Carl McLelland) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:01:16 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Transponder care References: <000001c937c1$6685f280$3391d780$@net> Message-ID: If your hard wired to the car then keep it charged. If you have the kind that you charge then it runs for up to five days, charge it fully once a month then let it "die". With mine I charge it once a month like that, then a week before an event Fully charge it, let it fully discharge then fully charge it and leave it on the charger until I put it on the car just before the first (Friday or Saturday) practice and leave it on the car throughout the weekend. My transponder is eight years old now, and having followed that routine I get four full days out of it before it needs a charge again. Hope this helps.. Carl Lotus 61 FF ----- Original Message ----- From: Lon To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: [Vintage-race] Transponder care I'm stumped . . . do I keep this puppy plugged in and fully charged through the winter or let it cycle dead and wait since it is good for only so many charges? Lon Elva Courier _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race