From ccanepa50 at aol.com Thu May 1 21:27:10 2008 From: ccanepa50 at aol.com (ccanepa50 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 23:27:10 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future In-Reply-To: <005901c8ab4b$8d7c2740$4001a8c0@lotus61mff> References: <380-22008433021815310@M2W008.mail2web.com> <005901c8ab4b$8d7c2740$4001a8c0@lotus61mff> Message-ID: <8CA7A1B8A2F61B0-E44-3F22@webmail-nc07.sysops.aol.com> Did anyone notice that the SCCA is "beginning" to lay out a plan for a gradual phase out of leaded race fuel, to me the writing is clearly on the wall, a few years down the road leaded gas? will likely not be too easy to get..... reference "Sportscar" May 08, pg 56 (the official SCCA Magazine) From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Fri May 2 07:04:56 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:04:56 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future References: <380-22008433021815310@M2W008.mail2web.com><005901c8ab4b$8d7c2740$4001a8c0@lotus61mff> <8CA7A1B8A2F61B0-E44-3F22@webmail-nc07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <008701c8ac55$20716880$0200a8c0@Desktop> I thought avgas had a little leaded in it and they can't remove it Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:27 PM Subject: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future > Did anyone notice that the SCCA is "beginning" to lay out a plan for a > gradual phase out of leaded race fuel, to me the writing is clearly on the > wall, a few years down the road leaded gas? will likely not be too easy to > get..... > reference "Sportscar" May 08, pg 56 (the official SCCA Magazine) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as wensley_tr at comcast.net > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri May 2 07:38:14 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 9:38:14 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future Message-ID: <7533482.274961209735495111.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web27-z01> It actually has a lot of lead in it. 100 low lead is a misleading statement created by some one trying to disguise the amount of lead in the gas. ---- Craig wrote: > I thought avgas had a little leaded in it and they can't remove it > Craig > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; > ; > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:27 PM > Subject: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future > > > > Did anyone notice that the SCCA is "beginning" to lay out a plan for a > > gradual phase out of leaded race fuel, to me the writing is clearly on the > > wall, a few years down the road leaded gas? will likely not be too easy to > > get..... > > reference "Sportscar" May 08, pg 56 (the official SCCA Magazine) > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as wensley_tr at comcast.net > > > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From samandgreg at netins.net Fri May 2 08:21:08 2008 From: samandgreg at netins.net (Sam & Greg) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:21:08 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future Message-ID: Could you use 100LL as an additive to Unleaded Race Fuel if the race gas no longer contained lead? Greg S. (No vintage race car yet.) At 08:38 AM 5/2/2008, you wrote: >It actually has a lot of lead in it. 100 low lead is a misleading >statement created by some one trying to disguise the amount of lead in the gas. From sevenamerica at yahoo.com Fri May 2 09:08:37 2008 From: sevenamerica at yahoo.com (John Donohoe) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] SimpleSevens Update :-) Message-ID: <594791.74631.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For those of you who have not completely given up on me, you'll find I've posted a set of Assembly Instructions for the Seven America! So those of you with new old stock Seven kits in the barn can finally put them together :-) Yes, Seven America owner Doug Gillette beat me to the final bid on this excellent bit of documentation distributed by Grand Prix Imported Cars, but Lotus Seven fanatics are always happy to share, and Doug is no exception. Without hesitation, he loaned these rare original documents to prepare and present on SimpleSevens... soon an original comprehensive parts list will be posted for your perusal as well! So have a look, and enjoy! Cheers, John Donohoe SimpleSevens.org ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri May 2 12:25:08 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 14:25:08 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <481B5C84.6020803@cfl.rr.com> You betcha!! I will also mix it with 110 race gas to bring down the cost of race gas while upping the octane. Race gas here in Orlando is running at over $7 per gallon. Sam & Greg wrote: > Could you use 100LL as an additive to Unleaded Race Fuel if the race > gas no longer contained lead? > > Greg S. > (No vintage race car yet.) > > At 08:38 AM 5/2/2008, you wrote: > >> It actually has a lot of lead in it. 100 low lead is a misleading >> statement created by some one trying to disguise the amount of lead in the gas. >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri May 2 12:28:35 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 14:28:35 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <481B5D53.5040809@cfl.rr.com> In fact 100LL has enough lead that I used to add an additive for making it more compatible with your typical piston engine airplane to prevent lead build up on the valves. Sam & Greg wrote: > Could you use 100LL as an additive to Unleaded Race Fuel if the race > gas no longer contained lead? > > Greg S. > (No vintage race car yet.) > > At 08:38 AM 5/2/2008, you wrote: > >> It actually has a lot of lead in it. 100 low lead is a misleading >> statement created by some one trying to disguise the amount of lead in the gas. >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From 56887 at msn.com Fri May 2 13:05:02 2008 From: 56887 at msn.com (Stewart Smith) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:05:02 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future Message-ID: Remember that SCCA used to mandate pump gas for production cars at all their races. Think of the leveling of competition if everyone ran pump gas in their low compression engines. Stewart Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:29 AM To: Sam & Greg Cc: vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future In fact 100LL has enough lead that I used to add an additive for making it more compatible with your typical piston engine airplane to prevent lead build up on the valves. Sam & Greg wrote: > Could you use 100LL as an additive to Unleaded Race Fuel if the race > gas no longer contained lead? > > Greg S. > (No vintage race car yet.) > > At 08:38 AM 5/2/2008, you wrote: > >> It actually has a lot of lead in it. 100 low lead is a misleading >> statement created by some one trying to disguise the amount of lead in the gas. >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race You are subscribed as 56887 at msn.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From webmaster at norcal-saac.org Fri May 2 13:50:25 2008 From: webmaster at norcal-saac.org (Nor Cal SAAC) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 12:50:25 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <481B7081.7040802@norcal-saac.org> Hmm ... what is exactly meant by "pump gas" today? I can go to my local gas station and pump 100 octane into my car... or at the track I can 114 octane..... 8-) Stewart Smith wrote: > Remember that SCCA used to mandate pump gas for production cars at all their > races. Think of the leveling of competition if everyone ran pump gas in their > low compression engines. > > Stewart Smith -- Regards -------------- Walt Boeninger mailto:walt at boeninger.net mailto:webmaster at norcal-saac.org http://boeninger.net http://shelbytransam.com From 56887 at msn.com Fri May 2 14:34:05 2008 From: 56887 at msn.com (Stewart Smith) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:34:05 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future Message-ID: I guess you could look at color. I am in California and I don't think we have anything higher octane than 91 allowed for use in unleaded cars. The race gas is all dyed purple or blue...like off road diesel... Stewart ----- Original Message ----- From: Nor Cal SAAC Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:47 PM To: Vintage Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future Hmm ... what is exactly meant by "pump gas" today? I can go to my local gas station and pump 100 octane into my car... or at the track I can 114 octane..... 8-) Stewart Smith wrote: > Remember that SCCA used to mandate pump gas for production cars at all their > races. Think of the leveling of competition if everyone ran pump gas in their > low compression engines. > > Stewart Smith -- Regards -------------- Walt Boeninger mailto:walt at boeninger.net mailto:webmaster at norcal-saac.org http://boeninger.net http://shelbytransam.com You are subscribed as 56887 at msn.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Fri May 2 14:58:55 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:58:55 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future References: <481B7081.7040802@norcal-saac.org> Message-ID: <011801c8ac97$56b598c0$0200a8c0@Desktop> OK..........where is local gas station that had or is willing to let you put it in a car on the street (100 octane?) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nor Cal SAAC" To: "Vintage" Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future > Hmm ... what is exactly meant by "pump gas" today? I can go to my local > gas station and pump 100 octane into my car... or at the > track I can 114 octane..... 8-) > > > > Stewart Smith wrote: >> Remember that SCCA used to mandate pump gas for production cars at all >> their >> races. Think of the leveling of competition if everyone ran pump gas in >> their >> low compression engines. >> >> Stewart Smith > > -- > > Regards > -------------- > Walt Boeninger > mailto:walt at boeninger.net > mailto:webmaster at norcal-saac.org > http://boeninger.net > http://shelbytransam.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as wensley_tr at comcast.net > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From webmaster at norcal-saac.org Fri May 2 15:07:08 2008 From: webmaster at norcal-saac.org (Nor Cal SAAC) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 14:07:08 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future In-Reply-To: <011801c8ac97$56b598c0$0200a8c0@Desktop> References: <481B7081.7040802@norcal-saac.org> <011801c8ac97$56b598c0$0200a8c0@Desktop> Message-ID: <481B827C.5000501@norcal-saac.org> Corner of Foxworthy and Almaden Expressway in San Jose, CA 76 I believe... there's also a station in Los Altos, and I've seen 100 octane at stations in Las Vegas.... Walt Craig wrote: > OK..........where is local gas station that had or is willing to let > you put it in a car on the street (100 octane?) > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nor Cal SAAC" > > To: "Vintage" > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future > > >> Hmm ... what is exactly meant by "pump gas" today? I can go to my local >> gas station and pump 100 octane into my car... or at the >> track I can 114 octane..... 8-) From webmaster at norcal-saac.org Fri May 2 15:10:05 2008 From: webmaster at norcal-saac.org (Nor Cal SAAC) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 14:10:05 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future In-Reply-To: <481B827C.5000501@norcal-saac.org> References: <481B7081.7040802@norcal-saac.org> <011801c8ac97$56b598c0$0200a8c0@Desktop> <481B827C.5000501@norcal-saac.org> Message-ID: <481B832D.5010507@norcal-saac.org> PS... I just noticed the Subject line has the word "leaded" ... Of course I'm referring to unleaded 100 octane. My question was what "pump gas" really meant now or then.... Walt Nor Cal SAAC wrote: > Corner of Foxworthy and Almaden Expressway in San Jose, CA > 76 I believe... there's also a station in Los Altos, and I've > seen 100 octane at stations in Las Vegas.... > > Walt > > Craig wrote: >> OK..........where is local gas station that had or is willing to let >> you put it in a car on the street (100 octane?) >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nor Cal SAAC" >> >> To: "Vintage" >> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] leaded Race Gas future >> >> >>> Hmm ... what is exactly meant by "pump gas" today? I can go to my local >>> gas station and pump 100 octane into my car... or at the >>> track I can 114 octane..... 8-) > _______________________________________________ From bob at harringtonphoto.ca Sat May 3 09:45:05 2008 From: bob at harringtonphoto.ca (Bob Harrington) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:45:05 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Am-Can Sprite Challenge Message-ID: <003401c8ad34$a8996930$6401a8c0@BHARRINGTON> Am-Can Sprite Challenge This year represents the 50th anniversary of the introduction of the Austin Healey Sprite and celebrations are being held across the world commemorating this popular little sports car. Called the Frogeye in Europe and the Bugeye on this side of the pond, from 1958 to 1971 in excess of 125,000 of these wonderful little cars came off the assembly line. On June 20- 22, VARAC, the Vintage Automobile Racing Association of Canada, is holding a feature race for these quirky little cars as part of their 2008 Vintage Festival. Always a fantastic event held at the Mosport International Raceway just north east of Toronto, Ontario, VARAC is expecting a couple of dozen Sprites ranging from 948 Bugeyes to the 1275 100+hp Mark IVs. On June 26-29, SVRA is holding their own Sprite feature at the Mid-Ohio Vintage Grand Prix. Held at the Mid Ohio Sports Car Course in Lexington, Ohio, the feature will be run for Sprites and their sister cars, MG Midgets. Competitors from these two events will vote to choose the winner of the Am-Can Challenge, based not on finishing position but on "Spirit" and devotion to the marque. Always a crowd pleaser, the Sprite has a special place in motorsports history - people began tuning and racing these cars as soon as they hit the market. Today, many vintage racers start their careers in a Bugeye - their inexpensive, easy to maintain, and just plain fun to drive. Come join the celebration at one of these outstanding events - the mighty Sprite! Bob H "http://www.harringtonphoto.ca" From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat May 3 09:57:26 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:57:26 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] Am-Can Sprite Challenge Message-ID: Bob, We will be there at Mosport! I assume you will be, also? Joe Alexander > Am-Can Sprite Challenge > > This year represents the 50th anniversary of the introduction of the Austin > Healey Sprite and celebrations are being held across the world commemorating > this popular little sports car. Called the Frogeye in Europe and the Bugeye > on > this side of the pond, from 1958 to 1971 in excess of 125,000 of these > wonderful little cars came off the assembly line. > > On June 20- 22, VARAC, the Vintage Automobile Racing Association of Canada, > is > holding a feature race for these quirky little cars as part of their 2008 > Vintage Festival. Always a fantastic event held at the Mosport International > Raceway just north east of Toronto, Ontario, VARAC is expecting a couple of > dozen Sprites ranging from 948 Bugeyes to the 1275 100+hp Mark IVs. > > On June 26-29, SVRA is holding their own Sprite feature at the Mid-Ohio > Vintage Grand Prix. Held at the Mid Ohio Sports Car Course in Lexington, > Ohio, > the feature will be run for Sprites and their sister cars, MG Midgets. > > Competitors from these two events will vote to choose the winner of the > Am-Can > Challenge, based not on finishing position but on "Spirit" and devotion to > the > marque. > > Always a crowd pleaser, the Sprite has a special place in motorsports history > - people began tuning and racing these cars as soon as they hit the market. > Today, many vintage racers start their careers in a Bugeye - their > inexpensive, easy to maintain, and just plain fun to drive. > > Come join the celebration at one of these outstanding events - the mighty > Sprite! > > Bob H > > "http://www.harringtonphoto.ca" > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race > > > From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Wed May 7 16:08:43 2008 From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 18:08:43 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] FW: Re: [MGVR] In-Reply-To: <050720080201.17818.48210D74000CA25B0000459A221205921402070 59B0E999B9D0A0D019D@comcast.net> References: <050720080201.17818.48210D74000CA25B0000459A22120592140207059B0E999B9D0A0D019D@comcast.net> Message-ID: At 10:01 PM 5/6/2008, robertwatkin at comcast.net wrote: >Ralph, is the schedule correct for Friday. It states that >registration does not open until 3:00pm. Is there no registration >in the morning, or is it not required for the test day. > > Robert, You indicate that you want to do the test day on Friday on your form. That does not require the normal registration and tech that you need for the race weekend. We will start teching cars even before registration opens and it usually opens before 3 - but you can run on Friday and get teched, assuming you bring a tech form which will be available later on, with you Ralph From twobees at sprynet.com Wed May 7 17:09:53 2008 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 19:09:53 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Alfa 101 1300cc Engine Wanted Message-ID: <006001c8b097$758c7a30$65451645@normoffice> I'm looking for an engine, preferable race-prepped for my Alfa Giulietta Spider. If race-prepped or not, it must have a 20/20 crank at minimum. I'm located in SW Florida. and would prefer one I can pickup. But, if shipping is necessary, that's ok. Please reply with what you have and what you are asking for it. Norm Sippel '60 Alfa Spider Normale From lon at sedona.net Thu May 8 13:35:29 2008 From: lon at sedona.net (Lon) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:35:29 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Any Elva Couriers for sale? Message-ID: <008301c8b142$ac79cb00$2601000a@LONW> My amazingly supportive wife is getting a bit testy now since she sees how much fun I'm been having in mine over the years. Sooo what better way to keep her involved than to get her one, any prep'd cars out there folks know about? Thanks, direct e-mail to lon at sedona.net. From note4don at live.com Sun May 11 09:45:10 2008 From: note4don at live.com (note4don at live.com) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 08:45:10 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Alfa Camber settings Message-ID: I need some advice on the proper front end settings for my 750 Alfa Spider. The stock camber setting is 0 with an 1/8" toe-in. Al Leake converted my old SCCA racer to his specs many years ago. I run 1/16" toe-in with 1 3/4 negative camber with "some" positive caster. At the last race in Fernley, I scrubbed off all signs of tread on the inner half of both front tires. These were new, just off the UPS truck, Hoosier Speedsters 185/65/15. I am putting the car back up on the rack to figure out what camber and toe settings I have so I reset them. But to what ? Is 1 3/4 negative too much ?. The car handles great and the Fernley pavement is obviously way too abrasive. Thoughts please. Don Queen From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 12 01:01:15 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 01:01:15 -0600 Subject: [Vintage-race] Team.Net spring fund drive Message-ID: <4827EB3B.5050900@bradakis.com> Gee, the beginning days of May, usually pleasant spring weather. Woke up to 34 degrees F with light snow falling the other morning here in Salt Lake City. Nice. Springtime indeed! Seasoned subscribers know the drill, here's an outline for others. The Team.Net mailing lists - http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo and http://www.team.net/cgi-bin/majorcool ( I'm slowly getting around to moving all the lists from majordomo to mailman ) FTP site, archives, wiki ( http://www.team.net/the-local ) are all run by some dweeb who spends too much time hiding out in a basement office whacking on computers instead of working on and driving his cars. Basically it is a labor of love that has been going on for roughly 20 years, 17 years since the Team.Net domain was registered on April 11, 1991. But there are some out of pocket expenses that are needed to keep things going. So once or twice a year I ask for funding assistance to help cover the costs of this "free" service. So if you have a few extra bucks on hand and want to stimulate the Team.Net economy, check out http://www.team.net/donate.html for details. Thanks, mjb. From davegran at ticon.net Mon May 12 15:50:00 2008 From: davegran at ticon.net (Dave Grandeffo) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:50:00 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Alfa Camber settings (note4don@live.com) References: Message-ID: <4828BB88.2AAE@ticon.net> Don Queen wrote: > > I need some advice on the proper front end settings for my 750 Alfa Spider. > > The stock camber setting is 0 with an 1/8" toe-in. > > Al Leake converted my old SCCA racer to his specs many years ago. I run 1/16" > toe-in with 1 3/4 negative camber with "some" positive caster. > > At the last race in Fernley, I scrubbed off all signs of tread on the inner > half of both front tires. These were new, just off the UPS truck, Hoosier > Speedsters 185/65/15. I am putting the car back up on the rack to figure out > what camber and toe settings I have so I reset them. But to what ? Is 1 3/4 > negative too much ?. The car handles great and the Fernley pavement is > obviously way too abrasive. > > Thoughts please. > > Don Queen Don, If I were you, I'd back off to around 1 degree negative and then find someone with a tire pyrometer who can help you set the car up at the track. He/she will be able to tell you eactly where to set the camber and what tire pressures to use. Any other method is just guessing. -- Dave Grandeffo www.kettlemorainemotorsports.com Southern Wisconsin USA From Oddcarnut at aol.com Wed May 14 18:20:48 2008 From: Oddcarnut at aol.com (Oddcarnut at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:20:48 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] vehicle shipping Message-ID: Anyone headed from the LA area to the southeast with room to tote a 250cc Honda motorcycle? I've need to move a bike from Torrance to Greenville, SC or someplace in the region. I'd be happy to pay some gas money. Contact me off list at _ocnfi at yahoo.com_ (mailto:ocnfi at yahoo.com) Thanks Ken **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From note4don at live.com Sat May 24 12:10:04 2008 From: note4don at live.com (note4don at live.com) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 11:10:04 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Alfa Racing Springs Message-ID: I'm looking for replacement front competition springs for my 1956 750 Alfa spider. I'd appreciate any recommendations and sources, please. Thanks Don Queen From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Sat May 24 12:20:45 2008 From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 14:20:45 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] PVGPA BeaveRun Historics Message-ID: To one and all! Time is running out to get your early bird special entry for arguably one of the finest vintage events anywhere. I am talking about the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix Association's Historic Races at BeaveRun. July 11-13, 2008 Mark it on your calendar and get your entry in by May 31, 2008 (postmark) to take advantage of the discount pricing!! We offer something for everyone. We have full wheel to wheel vintage racing going on all day Saturday and Sunday. Friday is a test and tune for those who want more track time or want to work the kinks out of a new set up. Friday can be run as a stand alone event. We also have 2 days of SCCA Solo II events on Saturday & Sunday (slalom racing is how many of us know this) Plus there is just great spectating of racing, cars, people... Besides being an absolutely great event we and you are doing something we can all feel good about at the end of the weekend. We are helping people who need our help. This entire event, which starts with our races and continues with cruising nites, dinners, a rally, shows and ends with the car shows and racing at Schenley Park the following weekend it dedicated to raising money for our two charities, the Autism Society of Pittsburgh and the Allegheny School. The PVGPA has been hard at work for the past 25 years doing this (this will be the 5th running of the Historics) and we have given our charities more than 2.5 million dollars (not raised but actually given directly to them) So everything you do during the weekend whether it is racing a vintage car, doing some solo racing, catching a charity lap around the track in a real vintage race car or just spectating and meeting all of the participants of this great event, helps to put money directly into the hands of those that need it most. What is more quintessential American than having a great summer party and helping those less fortunate tan ourselves. So please get your entry form in and join us in our 5th running of the PVGPA Historic Races at BeaveRun For more information, schedules, entry forms, links etc please go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com and click the vintage racing button. Then click the BeaveRun button and everything you need should be there. See you at the races Ralph Steinberg PVGPA director of competition BeaveRun From RRyan at frk.com Tue May 27 22:42:41 2008 From: RRyan at frk.com (Ryan, Richard) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 21:42:41 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Racing @ Mosport Message-ID: <2836149FA7BFB44A8528E41CC72137DDB95B6F@smosvr0663.noam.corp.frk.com> I have the chance to race a Formula Vee at the VARAC race in June. I would like to ask you help for driving tips on Mosport. * What are the keys to a fast lap? * Where can I get into trouble and bang up the car? * What should I do differently if it is raining? Thanks everyone. Dick Ryan 650-312-4022 (24022) Director of Global Insurance Management Franklin Templeton Investments One Franklin Parkway 960/4 San Mateo CA 94403-1906 Fax 650-312-5830 (25830) Notice: All email and instant messages (including attachments) sent to or from Franklin Templeton Investments (FTI) personnel may be retained, monitored and/or reviewed by FTI and its agents, or authorized law enforcement personnel, without further notice or consent. From DThompson at gbc.ca Wed May 28 15:04:11 2008 From: DThompson at gbc.ca (Daniel Thompson) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:04:11 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Mini 50th Anniversary racing plans? Message-ID: <8E24061A09DC35498F658A7E25FA9E8707FEF64C@dunn.pembroke.local> Anybody know if there are any events already scheduled for 2009 for the 50th anniversary of the Mini? In North America? Daniel From ofbracing at nefcom.net Wed May 28 15:21:03 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:21:03 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Distributor help Message-ID: <003e01c8c108$bceb8570$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> I use a modified '79 Honda Accord distributor in my TR4 and I'm hoping that there might be an electronic distributor expert on the lists who can tell me if I'm doing a repair correctly. During the last outing at VIR my distributor quit, and had zero resistance at the internal pickup coil (the two leads from the dizzy that go to the ignition box). I replaced it with a spare distributor and finished the weekend but now I need to repair the broken unit. Since I know the pickup coil was bad (no resistance vs 372 ohms resistance on the good spare), I ordered a replacement pickup coil from Autozone that matches perfectly except the resistance on the new coil is 750 ohms, almost double what's in the working spare. According to everything I can find on the internet, 750 is correct resistance for that distributor, but since its double what's in the other one I'm curious/concerned about whether I have the right one. Or, the real question might be "Does the resistance of the pickup coil really matter?" Any help will be appreciated. I hate to put it in the car and burn out the new $50 pickup coil because it's the wrong one. Thanks, Don No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1470 - Release Date: 5/28/2008 7:20 AM From TomD4760 at aol.com Wed May 28 15:39:24 2008 From: TomD4760 at aol.com (TomD4760 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:39:24 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] HP Draw of Cooling Fans - 1275 'A' engine ? Message-ID: Does anyone have any data on the horsepower draw with the standard pulley setup on the 1275 'A' engine? I'm considering replacing the fan with a switchable electric one run off a small auxillary battery. If anyone has experience doing this I'd appreciate hearing about it also. Thanks, Tom Deats, RMVR


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(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From JWoesvra at aol.com Wed May 28 15:51:04 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:51:04 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] HP Draw of Cooling Fans - 1275 'A' engine ? Message-ID: In a message dated 5/28/2008 5:41:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, TomD4760 at aol.com writes: Does anyone have any data on the horsepower draw with the standard pulley setup on the 1275 'A' engine? I'm considering replacing the fan with a switchable electric one run off a small auxillary battery. If anyone has experience doing this I'd appreciate hearing about it also. Thanks, Tom Deats, RMVR I don't think that is worth the effort. Why would you need an auxillary battery? What's wrong with the main battery? Oh... I know...you don't have an alternator do you? Just get a small alternator and a 2-bladed fan. You will not notice the difference and you won't need to charge your battery all the time. Concentrate on driving well rather than trying to save a micro horsepower. Jack Woehrle **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From paultunley at clear.net.nz Wed May 28 15:41:44 2008 From: paultunley at clear.net.nz (Paul Tunley) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:41:44 +1200 Subject: [Vintage-race] Mini 50th Anniversary racing plans? References: <8E24061A09DC35498F658A7E25FA9E8707FEF64C@dunn.pembroke.local> Message-ID: <001401c8c10b$a01ff8b0$2de04879@Sempron2400> The New Zealand Southern Festival is (in early planning) looking at honouring the Mini at the Teretonga round on 20th/21st/22nd Feb 2009. They plan to have Classic Mini's (Coopers etc) Mini Sevens (still a current NZ regional class!) and BMW Mini's (Current national class). So I suppose that that would propbably kick off the years fesivities. A long way to come but hey you can fit a few more Mini's into a container than you can CanAms, or AS WELL AS if you are Brian Blain who two back home as souvineers last season with his Lola. Any questions just ask me here as I help with the Skope Classic round of the SFOS. Cheers Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Thompson" To: Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: [Vintage-race] Mini 50th Anniversary racing plans? > Anybody know if there are any events already scheduled for 2009 for the > 50th anniversary of the Mini? In North America? > > > > Daniel > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as paultunley at clear.net.nz > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1187 - Release Date: 16/12/2007 11:36 a.m. From james.f.juhas at snet.net Wed May 28 18:28:00 2008 From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:28:00 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Distributor help Message-ID: <20080529002429.936C8187663@autox.team.net> I would be more concerned about burn out if the resistance was less, not more. More resistance likely means more wire or coils in the pickup, probably being more sensitive, a good thing. And more resistance means less current flow. Might change the timing if it 'sees' the trigger sooner. Then, too, your old broken one measuring 0 ohms means the windings shorted. Maybe 350 ohms means it's on it's way out, and 750 is the right number. Jim 1957 MGA #311 -----Original Message----- From: "Don Marshall" Subj: [Vintage-race] Distributor help Date: Wed May 28, 2008 5:26 pm Size: 1K To: "FOT" , "'Vintage Race Net'" I use a modified '79 Honda Accord distributor in my TR4 and I'm hoping that there might be an electronic distributor expert on the lists who can tell me if I'm doing a repair correctly. During the last outing at VIR my distributor quit, and had zero resistance at the internal pickup coil (the two leads from the dizzy that go to the ignition box). I replaced it with a spare distributor and finished the weekend but now I need to repair the broken unit. Since I know the pickup coil was bad (no resistance vs 372 ohms resistance on the good spare), I ordered a replacement pickup coil from Autozone that matches perfectly except the resistance on the new coil is 750 ohms, almost double what's in the working spare. According to everything I can find on the internet, 750 is correct resistance for that distributor, but since its double what's in the other one I'm curious/concerned about whether I have the right one. Or, the real question might be "Does the resistance of the pickup coil really matter?" Any help will be appreciated. I hate to put it in the car and burn out the new $50 pickup coil because it's the wrong one. Thanks, Don From dmapes at erols.com Wed May 28 22:13:39 2008 From: dmapes at erols.com (Dave Mapes) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] HP Draw of Cooling Fans - 1275 'A' engine ? Message-ID: <200805290413.OSC03595@erols.com> Hi, Well Jack's right that driving better will make a bigger difference than what fan you run, and not running an alternator is just plan silly IMNSHO. All that said Hot Rod and a number of other mag's I recall reading over the the past 30 years have shown in back-to-back chassis dyno tests that a standard 4 blade "factory" fan can draw as much as 45 HP @ 6,000 RPM. That's not to be sneezed at. An electric fan DOES draw some power by imposing a drain on the battery that the alternator must support, but its in the range of 1-2 HP which means your netting 43-44 HP over a straight mechanical fan. There is another option, subject to packaging limittations between the engine and the radiator, a fan clutch can allow the fan to free wheel if the air stream is below its engagement temp, saving around 20 HP and placing no additional draw on the battery. Or, as Jack suggested, you can trim the number of blades on the fan, but I have not seen a test done on this aproach. Certainly on a 1275cc motor freeing up 20-40 HP is going to register on the butt dyno wether or not it improves you lap times. I'd install an alternator with a pully that keeps it under 17,000 RPM and the eletric fan. Then you can stop worrying about charging the battery between track sessions, and/or worrying about it going flat during the session, and spend more time resting up in the lawn chair so you can drive better in the next session. Running the Alt will allow you to run a smaller battery, so it may well be a wash as far as weight goes. - At 05:51 PM 5/28/08 EDT, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 5/28/2008 5:41:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >TomD4760 at aol.com writes: > >Does anyone have any data on the horsepower >draw with the standard pulley setup on the 1275 >'A' engine? >I'm considering replacing the fan with a switchable >electric one run off a small auxillary battery. If anyone >has experience doing this I'd appreciate hearing about it >also. >Thanks, >Tom Deats, RMVR > > > >I don't think that is worth the effort. Why would you need an auxillary >battery? What's wrong with the main battery? Oh... I know...you don't have an >alternator do you? > >Just get a small alternator and a 2-bladed fan. You will not notice the >difference and you won't need to charge your battery all the time. Concentrate on >driving well rather than trying to save a micro horsepower. > >Jack Woehrle All the Best! Dave Sr. Software Engineer/Requirements Manager/Systems Assurance Analyst Aging Racer & Thumb Pound...er...Rule Engineer http://www.lamehorseracing.com From samandgreg at netins.net Thu May 29 06:52:20 2008 From: samandgreg at netins.net (Sam & Greg) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:52:20 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] HP Draw of Cooling Fans - 1275 'A' engine ? In-Reply-To: <200805290413.OSC03595@erols.com> References: <200805290413.OSC03595@erols.com> Message-ID: Has anyone tried a full throttle cutoff on the alternator? Many cars use this on the air conditioner with success. Just a thought. Greg Scharnberg 71 Sonett III (for sale) From hamilton at nfdc.net Thu May 29 09:35:28 2008 From: hamilton at nfdc.net (Hamilton) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:35:28 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] HP Draw of Cooling Fans - 1275 'A' engine ? Message-ID: <5e086189a816a48cc30b4a5077d34fbf@12.172.249.68> Jack's right - Iuse a Kia unit and never noticed the difference plus it sure is nice not to have to charge the battery all the time plus you get consistent voltage to the ignition qand can use a smaller battery as well.--------- Original Message -------- From: JWoesvra at aol.com To: TomD4760 at aol.com , Vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] HP Draw of Cooling Fans - 1275 'A' engine ? Date: 05/28/08 16:51 > > In a message dated 5/28/2008 5:41:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > TomD4760 at aol.com writes: > > Does anyone have any data on the horsepower > draw with the standard pulley setup on the 1275 > 'A' engine? > I'm considering replacing the fan with a switchable > electric one run off a small auxillary battery. If anyone > has experience doing this I'd appreciate hearing about it > also. > Thanks, > Tom Deats, RMVR > > > > I don't think that is worth the effort. Why would you need an auxillary > battery? What's wrong with the main battery? Oh... I know...you don't have an > alternator do you? > > Just get a small alternator and a 2-bladed fan. You will not notice the > difference and you won't need to charge your battery all the time. Concentrate on > driving well rather than trying to save a micro horsepower. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as hamilton at nfdc.net > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race > > > ________________________________________________________________ Get high quality internet access for as little as $10/mo! http://www.NFDC.net From mgvrmark at hotmail.com Thu May 29 13:01:35 2008 From: mgvrmark at hotmail.com (Mark Palmer) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:01:35 +0000 Subject: [Vintage-race] HP Draw of Cooling Fans - 1275 'A' engine ? In-Reply-To: <5e086189a816a48cc30b4a5077d34fbf@12.172.249.68> References: <5e086189a816a48cc30b4a5077d34fbf@12.172.249.68> Message-ID: I second Jack's motion ... too many people think that if they remove the alternator/generator, and remove the fan, they'll get a few more horsepower and suddenly start winning races. The driver is way, way more important than that minute horsepower gain. Spend your time, effort, and money on a good skills school, or a coaching session with someone like Peter Krause, and you'll gain WAY more benefit. Not only will you be quicker, you'll also be a lot safer in the bargain. AND you'll have a whole lot more fun! Too many cars boil over on the grid because they have no fan ... or won't start because the battery is down, because of no alternator. Or can't finish an enduro because of weak spark. Drivers say "I can't do the Downtown Festival because my car will overheat ... or not start ... or my six-plate microdiameter racing clutch will burn out". They're missing half the fun -- and the whole point -- of vintage racing, IMHO. Mark Palmer _________________________________________________________________ E-mail for the greater good. Join the im Initiative from Microsoft. From Awgertoo at aol.com Thu May 29 13:24:50 2008 From: Awgertoo at aol.com (Awgertoo at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:24:50 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] Manley Ford email Message-ID: If anyone has an email address for Manley Ford I would appreciate receiving it offlist. Best--Michael Oritt **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From jpetrush at sc.rr.com Thu May 29 16:33:49 2008 From: jpetrush at sc.rr.com (John P) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 18:33:49 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] FW: HP Draw of Cooling Fans - 1275 'A' engine ? Message-ID: <001b01c8c1dc$10c2b1e0$324815a0$@rr.com> I race an old Super Vee. It never had an alternator to my knowledge. I don't much worry about overheating, but the ancient Bosch Motronic ignition system sure gets surly at 11.99 volts. All the battery maintenance takes some of the fun out of the weekend - especially when your neighbor inadvertently unplugs the power cord. So, Any recommendations for an alternator for this application? Would prefer a small production unit but am open to all options. John Petrush Ex Bernard Jourdain Ralt RT-5 Super Vee Jack Woehrle sagely spoke over the 'net: ">Just get a small alternator and a 2-bladed fan. You will not notice the >difference and you won't need to charge your battery all the time. >Concentrate on driving well rather than trying to save a micro horsepower. From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu May 29 17:04:18 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:04:18 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] FW: HP Draw of Cooling Fans - 1275 'A' engine ? Message-ID: In a message dated 5/29/2008 6:34:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jpetrush at sc.rr.com writes: So, Any recommendations for an alternator for this application? Would prefer a small production unit but am open to all options. John Petrush Ex Bernard Jourdain Ralt RT-5 Super Vee Jack Woehrle sagely spoke over the 'net: You probably have a Rabbit motor so I think it might be easy to use the parts for that. However, there are all kinds of Jap and Korean ALTS that will work. The hardest part is the mounting. They all can be used as a one-wire with a jumper, but you need a cut-off switch. You can also do it with a diode. Anyone with a little electronic knowledge can tell you how and it is probably on the internet. I can do it but I can't tell you how without screwing it up. Someone here can do that better. Trust me, it is pretty simple. Jack Woehrle **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. 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